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Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:28:52


Benjamin628 
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I've witnessed 10 or so mass spamming on the warlight forum during my time at warlight. During the mass spamming, 3 or more pages of spam are there, just waiting to be deleted by the mods, but I ask, why? Two mass spamming attacks have occurred in the past two days, so I think it's time to get it under control:

Have a CAPATCHA for players to solve every time they create a thread. It's not like no other forum uses this, it's very common. Have more moderators, and give them the tools needed to do what needs to be done.

Players like "Sqiggles" and "Karl Goldberg" and "SirSalty" contribute absolutely zero value to the community, and are probably responsible for mass spamming attacks, so why keep them? Why aren't the moderators permanently banning him every time you see evidence that it is him? They've all been banned at-least 5 times before, so why not completely shut them down? It's not like you lose any revenue.

It is very easy for any player to set up a network of alts, and level them up to level 5 or whatever you need to post on the forums. Level 5 players should not be posting on the general forum, but the help forum still exists:

Alternative solutions to the help forum could exist, like a "Help Mod" thing, that sends a question to the moderators and whoever answers it first creates a mail thread between those two players, and ends the "Help Mod" request.

The Warlight forum is important because a lot of players who want to see what is going on in the community use it daily, and they see all of the clutter and low-quality content, usually above and in-between the "important" stuff.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:30:07


Tristan
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And the only spam topic that got deleted was the only one where three people were complaining about it. All the rest stay... D:<
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:31:01


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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There should also be a new thread limit per user and waiting time between two posts.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:31:44


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^^ Not really. Several threads got deleted and the amount of spam was temporarily less than 3 pages.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:32:37


Richard Sharpe 
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How do you permanently ban them? They can easily use proxies to mask IPs as anonym demonstrated so just how do you identify them with absolute certainty?

Never mind the fact that the majority of forum posts are garbage and unnecessary anyways.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:35:18


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^I believe a mod is around but he/she has no power to ban a person..Hence threads get deleted but the user remains unbanned.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:35:52


Tristan
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Mhmm. Maybe this could be sorted if a users' first post had to be approved by a moderator first? It wouldn't stop mass spamming if the first post is (disguised as) sensible and got approved, but at least it would make the spammers less tempted to spam if their topics don't show up immediately.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:37:05


Richard Sharpe 
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Banning a user is pointless. It's just an alt. They'll create another and move forward. The only real damage is that perma-banning a primary account prevents the troll from taking advantage of their higher-level account and having to start over on that process. Ultimately a trivial impact.

Tristan, requiring a first post approval would only be a short stopgap. The spammer alt has already played a few games to get to level 4 so what's really stopping them from submitting one decent post before starting spamming?

Edited 7/7/2016 15:38:09
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:39:31


Tristan
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There's always a small chance that they'd get bored waiting for the first post to be approved, I suppose.

Other than that, I've got no ideas :/
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:42:13


Richard Sharpe 
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While annoying, the captcha really is the best solution. Perhaps eliminate the captcha for accounts of a certain level (since those are less likely to risk the perma-ban))
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:43:47


Epicular
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We don't really need a captcha. Those only stop some low-level bots- and if the perpetrator of the spam attack is an alt of one of the users you mentioned, it would do close to nothing.

What really needs to be done? Warlight should set a server-side timer on each user after they create a topic. The timer could last 5, 10, even 30 minutes, but until that timer is up, the user cannot create any additional topics. What legitimate user needs to be creating several consequent topics in a short time span anyways?

Edited 7/7/2016 15:44:22
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:43:51


Tristan
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@Richard Sharpe: Agreed. Level 45, something like that?

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@Epicular:
Another nice idea. At least then, a spammer could only spam the same topic and would take a hell of a lot less time to remove ;)

Edited 7/7/2016 15:46:23
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:47:52


Fan the Apostle
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Many people take advantage that Fizzer lives in GMT -8. So the spam wont be solved till he wakes up.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:51:07


Fan the Apostle
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Also we have already one part of the battle. Since we know them too well they would be denied by all clans. This stops them from proxyjacking. However im no mind reader and maybe hijacks are not to their best intrest.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:51:22


Richard Sharpe 
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I'd wager the spamming is performed by a person, not a bot. Thus a captcha (a real captcha that changes, not the static one used with the blog) would be effective at minimizing spam.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:51:36


Benjamin628 
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I'm pretty sure it's 8:49 for him, and Mods can also ban people and delete posts.

I agree Richard, perma-banning doesn't really work, but I said perma-ban all of his accounts :P

Capatcha is a good solution, yes. It would take a stupid person like anonym around 3 tries to solve it, so that's like a minute between posts, he'd get bored.

The level to post on the forums should be Member, or level 43, where the ladder forum is unlocked. Makes no sense to have different forums (except the help fourm) unlocked at different levels, and there is no point for it to be used if you are such a low level really.

Edited 7/7/2016 15:52:22
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:51:51


DanWL
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Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:52:10


Epicular
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@Talking Fan
More mods can fix that (Fizzer being asleep). But of course Fizzer runs the place like Darklordio runs his clan: trust no one with power.

Edited 7/7/2016 15:53:47
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:57:44


Epicular
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I'd wager the spamming is performed by a person, not a bot. Thus a captcha (a real captcha that changes, not the static one used with the blog) would be effective at minimizing spam.

This is precisely why a captcha would be relatively ineffective at stopping committed spammers. Captchas were designed to defend against bots, not people. If I wanted to fill up several pages of the forums with spam, the captcha would simply slow me down a bit between each topic.

Although it could actually be effective against anonym, since he probably would fail most of them.

We need a server-sided timer between topic creations, like I said above.

Edit: @Ben yes.

Edited 7/7/2016 15:58:24
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 15:58:18


Fan the Apostle
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Proxy is a hard to solve issue if you dive into it solo. Since everyone lives in differnt places. They would need to report suspicios activity in 3rd party WL proxy server.

Since Fizzer rules the place like a Supreme Leader sees all type of place maybe we could contribute rather than volunteer in the same power Fizzer wield.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 16:00:08


Fan the Apostle
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We need to enforce server protwctablility by using more than 1 proxy as not allowed per device.

There are spam bits before , yes but not to have known of proxyjacking
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 18:19:26


Onoma94
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Players like "Sqiggles" and "Karl Goldberg" and "SirSalty"

Well I have to defend SirSalty here actually. Ever since he returned with his newest account he didn't at all troll or spam. Really he kind of stuck as a scapegoat when there are way worse people out there.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 18:26:34


Fan the Apostle
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Players like "Sqiggles" and "Karl Goldberg" and "SirSalty"

Well I have to defend SirSalty here actually. Ever since he returned with his newest account he didn't at all troll or spam. Really he kind of stuck as a scapegoat when there are way worse people out there.


I feel the same to him, as well as Tyrion. His chance of redemption was ruined because for simply existing
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 18:39:34


The anti anonym
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This is the definition of captcha .

captcha
ˈkapSHə/
noun
a program or system intended to distinguish human from machine input, typically as a way of thwarting spam and automated extraction of data from websites.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 18:41:38


The anti anonym
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I cannot be defeated by "captcha" . I am dexterous and I have a love for cats.

Praise Allah!
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 19:37:57


[REGL] Pooh 
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Right now, a lot of Mods have an "Admin delete" button on each thread and each post in the thread. Right now, it appears that that function is very limited... only getting rid of the content so that it doesn't disrupt the site.

It doesn't trigger a report, which needs to be done separately, and then at least 2 separate users would need to review the report before any action (suspension/ban) takes place.

Perhaps additional functionality can be added any time a delete function has been used on an account.

As an example, when any mod uses the "Admin Delete" button, have a little window pop up that asks the mod if they want to freeze the account from future forum postings for a) a set time, or b) until a mod with reviewing authority gets to decide on discipline.


A lot of the other good ideas I've seen in this thread include:
-Specific help thread forum for low level players, so as not to spam the whole forum

-Captcha, phased out for higher level players/members less likely to abuse, or otherwise, captcha restored for those members/high level players that do abuse

-Forum posting limit (5 new threads per hour?, 15 posts per hour?), again, can phase out for trusted players

-Edit: Adding Mod approval of first few forum threads. (This may be an opt in feature for players level 55+, that they get to see the threads first. Provided a set number of different opted-in users approve the thread, they then the threads go public).

Edited 7/7/2016 19:45:40
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 19:43:04


[REGL] Pooh 
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Off Topic Threads:
-So, what should this be used for?
I've seen a lot of pointless threads. For example, two threads that I personally have no interest in: So the Question is, and any "fan-fiction" posting.

I hardly believe either of these pose value to me, yet they get tons of following on the off-topic threads. I would say that these don't get deleted and allow to live (fester) in the off-topic forum, until they get offensive.

I see these threads as different than forum posts that pose the open question: "Race A is better than Race B, discuss." I see these as doing nothing to add to the community, pull out trolls from the woodwork, and bait people into making offensive comments. I personally think that troll bait forum posts should be deleted immediately. But the question is, how do you determine what is troll bait and what is just a stupid post that may have a small following? Eventually there will be a grey line between the two, and when it gets crossed, you risk offending the OP and turning them into a mega-troll that will post 5 pages of forum threads across 33 different alts with different IPs.
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 19:43:13


Cata Cauda 
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As an example, when any mod uses the "Admin Delete" button, have a little window pop up that asks the mod if they want to freeze the account from future forum postings for a) a set time, or b) until a mod with reviewing authority gets to decide on discipline.

Sounds like a good idea, but unfortunately the "Admin Delete" is already being abused by some people (Not to mention names) so that might backfire...
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 19:46:40


[REGL] Pooh 
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@Cata, see my next post. Sometimes its hard to determine what is just troll bait and what is valuable content.

People take offense when their posts get deleted for, to them, apparently no good reason.

As an example, if you were a moderator Cata, what would you do with this thread:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/165800-death-squiggles-campaign

Edited 7/7/2016 19:48:36
Problems on the Warlight Forum (and Solutions): 7/7/2016 20:00:51


Fan the Apostle
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@Pooh (in general), make your aproval limit 52, cuz i have an OCD with even numbers.Have you ever seen a level 60 troll spam the forums?

Maybe What fizzer is concerned is either or the latter :

Serverjacking
Proxyjacking

Fizzer would be concerned and thats why his restrictive views protected from theese. Its like a clan hijack
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