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No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 17:24:01


Major General Smedley Butler
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Gahk, this is bloody annoying that so many folk think this.

1. The Red Army in and near Moskva would not be exhausted by the several counterattacks they staged in September otl.
2. The over a million soldiers in Kyiv and the Southwestern front would not be encircled without the 2nd army attack.
2a. This would overextend the right flank of the German advance on Moscow and could lead to a disaster for the Germans.
3. No matter where the Germans are, there will end up being ten new Russian Armies ready for a counterattack against the Germans, whether in Moscow or west of it.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 17:28:19


Lolicon love 
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Who asked for this?
Who cares?
Can you not for once?
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 17:36:08


Major General Smedley Butler
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Who asked for your thread composed of cartoon women? Exactly, no one you weeb. Now go and try blowing up something in Northern Ireland, you Irish paedophile.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 17:49:56


Genghis 
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MGSB, as Loli's Centipede I must defend him from your frivolous accusations. Recline your assertions or you will be shunned.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 18:03:09


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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MGSB, i asked him to post that thread and i care about him/her.I do care about you too but not the way you want though, you attention whore.

Edited 7/10/2016 18:07:03
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 18:04:44


Fan the Apostle
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Wtf
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 18:31:37


Gen. NumbNuts
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Mmmm yessss. The drama and hate pleases me.

+1
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 18:39:11


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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All hail the glorious leader!
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 21:13:55


Eklipse {TJC}
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MGSB can create mass butthurt just by making one innocent thread.

+1. Please continue, I love watching people blow up over literally nothing.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 21:16:07


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No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 21:28:25


BUFFALO
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the 2nd army was the only thing stopping hitler from success !! ur wrong
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 21:32:24


Major General Smedley Butler
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^ that's more inbred than Charles II
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 21:39:48


Genghis 
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^

v

Edited 7/10/2016 21:50:05
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/10/2016 21:47:09


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No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 02:20:39


Rogue Nikolai Krogius
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Is this when Hitler personally intervened from the battle plans for Barbarossa and pulled troops from army group center to the south instead of pushing on Moscow? You are probably right but Germany still could have won had they brought along a few coats

EDIT: or the Japanese had attacked the Siberian armies, focusing their forces on Russia and quietly taking the Dutch East Indies.

Edited 7/11/2016 02:28:35
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 02:22:45


Major General Smedley Butler
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Coats don't defend your vehicles and horses against the muddy season, nor you from Russian steel, lead and gunpowder.

And yes, this is when Hitler delayed the advance on Moscow a month.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 02:25:40


Rogue Nikolai Krogius
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At this point in the war Russian tanks were woefully out classed by German designs. Russia even had to stop production of war materials to move whole factories (workforce and all) from the heavily industrialized, overrun eastern Europe to Siberia.

Edited 7/11/2016 02:27:21
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 02:29:37


Major General Smedley Butler
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You do realize that the Germans had serious issues penetrating T-34 and KV armor right? And still, it wasn't the winter that stopped the Germans at Moskva, it was most definitely the Red Army, considering the Germans did assault their lines and were still repelled.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 02:46:24


Rogue Nikolai Krogius
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I think you are overestimating the USSR's preparedness at the onset of the war. Their tank army largely consisted of BT-7s, T-40s, and T-26s. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_combat_vehicle_production_during_World_War_II)


While it was the Red Army that stopped them at Moscow, a number of things could have changed the course of the battle. It was the Siberian divisions brought over from Eastern Russia that tipped the balanced and allowed the USSR to counterattack. If Japan had at least confronted these divisions then the USSR counterattack would have failed.

Additionally, as I have stated before, if the Germans had been prepared for the winter then they would have easily beaten back the Soviet counter offensive as both sides have roughly the same number of men and tanks (after the Siberian divisions were taken into account).

Edited 7/11/2016 02:50:11
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 02:55:40


Spenglerian Traditionalist
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The Germans should have won. Your reminder that Hitler did nothing wrong.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 02:57:55


Lolicon love 
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you have so much in common then.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 02:58:34


Spenglerian Traditionalist
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Stay mad 1416.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 03:04:32


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Kek
>implying state of birth has more bearing than race

You're one of those goyyim who thinks that because X person is born in country Y that they're now Y. I bet you think you're Dutch lol. You're not Dutch.

Also yes I am British I'm 3/4ths Celtic and to be more specific half English.

Edited 7/11/2016 03:05:40
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 03:06:42


Major General Smedley Butler
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It was the Siberian divisions brought over from Eastern Russia that tipped the balanced and allowed the USSR to counterattack

Which the Germans couldn't do anything about

if the Germans had been prepared for the winter then they would have easily beaten back the Soviet counter offensive as both sides have roughly the same number of men and tanks (after the Siberian divisions were taken into account).

One, this has the offensive taking place one month earlier, not extra preparation earlier on (which could still prove a failure, as the main problem of the Germans not being able to keep up in production and manpower will still be there), two, the winter gear the Germans had would be more suited to Central European and not Russian winter conditions, and three, the Germans still have the problem of the entire Soviet Army which isn't worse off than in otl.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 03:21:35


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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Define ''American'', and yes they would be ''American''
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 03:24:04


Spenglerian Traditionalist
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American isn't a race. Again you're not Dutch. You're also not white or European.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 03:32:37


Rogue Nikolai Krogius
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The Japanese should have confronted the over 18 divisions, 1,700 tanks, and over 1,500 aircraft from Siberia and the Far East before they were moved to Moscow. The Germans fought exceptionally well for how under prepared they were.

On November 30th, Bock wrote in his journal that the temperature reached -49 degrees F. More than 130,000 cases of frostbite were reported among German soldiers over the winter. Only a third of German armored vehicles were operational by late October and it took several hours to heat them up enough to start. Added to this that Infantry Divisions were at 1/3 to 1/2 combat strength and it is easy to say that had the Germans been better prepared they would have at least held their ground during the winter.


One, this has the offensive taking place one month earlier, not extra preparation earlier on (which could still prove a failure, as the main problem of the Germans not being able to keep up in production and manpower will still be there), two, the winter gear the Germans had would be more suited to Central European and not Russian winter conditions, and three, the Germans still have the problem of the entire Soviet Army which isn't worse off than in otl.

If Hitler wouldn't have invaded Yugoslavia from 8-15 April 1941 then Germany would have had plenty of resources, time, manpower, and planning for the invasion of the USSR. As a matter of fact, they may have even been able to attack the USSR as much as six weeks earlier making the capture of Moscow more likely.

EDIT: This means that the Germans woudl have beaten rasputitsa and would not have suffered nearly as many supply problems.

Edited 7/11/2016 03:48:06
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 03:39:42


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''I'm white, European''

Lol you're north African, you're not white or European.
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 04:15:41


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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^
No, not diverting the 2nd army wouldn't win WW2: 7/11/2016 05:00:18


Жұқтыру
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th dirty sno gremlins fot on our said thats wai we won duh
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