I think your argument in this case lacks great support. Here we have a person having admitted to the fact that A. It caused damage, B. Owning up to their error, and C. now trying to change the community for the better.

Knyte has admitted none of that. He has not even admitted he did it. Furthermore, you cannont continue to lump all 65 members of MH into one category. Since you continue to do it, it just shows how mentally retarded you are and how you have no grasp on the idea of freedom of association. Also add some spaces when you start a new idea. It looks unproffesionally and honestly I won't even read all of it. Im sure I will get dumber as a result.

More importantly though, who is knyte when he doesn't have a reputation to uphold? Who is he when he feels he has no consequences? Who is he when he doesn't have to hide how he really feels? He is a troll through and through. He has proven it time and again that his word means nothing and he will trash anybody for a kick. You are worse than scum.

I shall no longer refer to you as Knyte but as NIGHT, your true self.

Edited 7/21/2016 04:59:38

http://bit.ly/mh-cheating

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I shall no longer refer to you as Knyte but as NIGHT, your true self.

No, no, no. Go with the complete title: "NIGHT, of the Lawlz Clan."

Edited 7/23/2016 10:06:07

Before this, I thought MHunters clan was pretty good (they wrote that guide, they have TBest, they seem fun and founded on good thoughts), but now, euh...their leadership is not very nice, at any rate.

NIGHT, who rallied against the dismal shape of the Warlight forums and called all people to ban all MH players, is actually one of the people who are RESPONSIBLE for the deterioration of the community. If NIGHT feels as though MH needs to be banned then he should ban himself as well, since he has caused far more damage with his misogyny, racism, and bigotry.

NIGHT deserves no respect and even less dignity.

Edited 7/21/2016 05:09:10

Furthermore, you cannont continue to lump all 65 members of MH into one category. Since you continue to do it, it just shows how mentally retarded you are and how you have no grasp on the idea of freedom of association. Also add some spaces when you start a new idea. It looks unproffesionally and honestly I won't even read all of it. Im sure I will get dumber as a result.
I'm using the term M'hunters to address all the forum actives because I don't honestly care to address every member whom has attacked knyte for taking action against AI. Also, please avoid using the term mentally retarded, as you clearly don't know what that term means. Also, I believe clan members agree to be associated with how the leadership acts when they join a clan, so I don't think your freedom of association really applies here And, I don't really plan on separating out ideas in a professional manner when that would take time that I don't really have, I'm just putting forth some analysis from an outside point of view, and if you refuse to read it, your loss.

Just stop protecting a famous troll. He is indefensible. There is no excuse what so ever to spread misogyny, racism, and bigotry. You are defending somebody who literally pumped hate and lies about women, minorities, and gays directly into the community that he "cares for so much". You have no standing.

Edited 7/21/2016 05:15:23

"I have said before why this is a stupid, irrelevant argument on a stupid, irrelevant gaming website. Despite my attempts to explain why you're misguided knyte, I see my efforts appear to have been in vain. On that note I believe Thomas Paine can give us a few words of advice.


“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.”

I'm not going to waste anymore of my time arguing with you, knyte. You're a lost cause. Keep that straight jacket warm. "

- Rogue Nikolai Krogius, 3 hours ago.

I don't read the forums much, and certainly have made no attempt at following this dispute that has been between Mhunters and a section of the community who dislike them.

But like most people I'm sure, it is impossible to be unaware of it, because it spreads across countless threads over a time period of multiple months, and to be honest it disgusts me.

As an impartial observer who has no interest in this disagreement, more often than not it seems to me that the aggressors, like in this thread, are not Mhunters. I don't think I'm alone in finding attacks on an entire group of people based on nothing more than their clan tag to be incredibly disdainful.

I think the single person in this thread who makes the most sense was Super Smoove, who suggested you look at your own actions before you attack others. I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment.

Take a long hard look in the mirror, because what I see is someone who has become the very thing you claim to hate. Making a thread like this in my opinion is more harmful, and more damaging to the community than the combination of every one of the list of accusations you made against Mhunters.

I completely and unequivocally, reject the rhetoric of hatred which you are trying to spread.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

Edited 7/21/2016 05:18:11

Im not arguing. These are indisputable facts.

NIGHT trolled the community he supposedly loved so much and spread hate and lies about women, minorities, and gays. These are indisputable facts, not an argument.

NIGHT trolled the community he supposedly loved so much and spread hate and lies about women, minorities, and gays. These are indisputable facts, not an argument.
Just stop protecting a famous troll. He is indefensible. There is no excuse what so ever to spread misogyny, racism, and bigotry. You are defending somebody who literally pumped hate and lies about women, minorities, and gays directly into the community that he "cares for so much". You have no standing.
Well, I guess you aren't a believer in second chances then. Going by the same logic, AI already screwed up, and as such should be banned indefinitely. That's the real issue at stake, does AI deserve a second chance, should he be in CL8? While I'm all for second chances, I also think there needs to be a probational period in regards to cheating.
Take a long hard look in the mirror, because what I see is someone who has become the very thing the claims to hate. Making a thread like this in my opinion is more harmful, and more damaging to the community than the combination of every one of the list of accusations you made against Mhunters.
I'm arguing against what appears to me to be M'Hunters supporting cheating, which is more toxic to the community in my eyes than anything else, even extreme trolls.

I agree Holdway, but I also believe Knight had very good intentions and brings many good points. I believe Knight simply wants MH to make punishments (and implement the punishments) to the players in there clan who hurt the community or cheat.

Also to Rogue Nikolai Krogius, I know that the first response to accusations to your clan or clan members will always be one of absolute defense, but Knight (as stated previously) has made very good points towards your clans lack of punishment and control of certain members. I believe that trying to discredit the facts that Knight has brought together simply on the basis of his past moral character shows the sign of deflection and immaturity on your part (which I assume that you do not intend).

So how about this, Knight you apologize for condemning the entirety of MH.
And Rogue Nikolai Krogius you implement a penalty system for MH and help enforce it.

Respectfully submitted,

[RE] Lord Kira

Count me with the folks that previously respected M'Hunters clan, but have since lost that respect.

The thing about this that feels the most ironic is how they keep throwing Lawlz's name as an insult. Now before I get completely dogpiled, I will readily admit that he is the very definition of a forum troll. He was also a pretty good friend of mine. I'm losing my point though.

DESPITE my friendship with Lawlz, when he would go off the rails on the forums, we kicked him from the clan, and set up conditions for his return. Just because you deal with a person in your clan causing trouble doesn't mean it has to be forever. In kicking Lawlz, we put consequences on his actions. He didn't like those consequences, so he started behaving better on the forums. As clan leaders, we (myself and Kasp), successfully modified his behavior and made him a better part of the greater clan community.

That is what Knyte is asking you guys to do, M'Hunters. Deal with the problem in your clan. Not only are you choosing not to deal with the problem, you're throwing Lawlz name around as an insult despite the fact that he was a success story of clan level discipline, something that you feel completely unwilling to do.

Very well put Dr.

I ask you not to lose your respect for MH quite yet though and to wait and see how they as a clan respond to the inappropriate behavior of some of the members in there clan.

I also wanted to thank and commend you for what you did with Lawlz, changing possibly the worst Troll on Warlight to a very respectable player (Knight) is no easy task but you braved it and helped the community as a whole. I hope every clan, not just MH or any other, views your success as the way to help stop what has become of our forums.

There is nothing that I can do, or you, or Fizzer, or anyone else can do that will stop all the cheaters and the trolls, but banding together and following your clans example of leadership may just help return Warlight to the beautiful place it once was.

Respectfully submitted,

[RE] Lord Kira

So wow... I am gaining more and more respect for knyte (never thought I would say that) and less and less for M'Hunters. Nobody in their clan will answer the charges and RNK is doing nothing but personally attacking. Clearly he has no defense here. I would love to hear a reasoned response to knytes accusations that avoids dropping down to personal attacks.

Perception is reality. RNK focus on what the accusations are and stop berating knyte. Otherwise you are the clear loser in my eyes at least (and likely the community). You may have already done too much damage to recover to be honest.

I have no real power inside of MH. I only have the power to call out hypocrites when I see them.

I do appreciate those who comment here ( Howard/Lord Kira/Others) who appear to genuinely have no bias or are viewing as an outside source. I agree that I got to carried away with my attacks on his moral character but every word was true.

As per the punishment of AI: AI was banned from M'Hunters Skype chat (to my knowledge) until he modified his behavior. Some believe that AI was not punished harshly enough while others believe that AI did nothing wrong to begin with.

The bottom line is that some form of punishment was given and the activity (whether it was cheating or not) has ceased. There is no issue except for those who wish to use this incident for drama.

@DarrenDieHard I did not say anything untruthful. Everything I said is 100% correct and you can argue the merits of my arguing style as much as you want but I am not a hypocrite.

Edited 7/21/2016 05:53:37

Yes you are

Prove it.

http://imgur.com/a/OqA6H