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What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 02:30:21


Benjamin628 
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Antarctica has South Pole as it's distribution pick, no wastelands.



What would you pick in this scenario with the following cases:

3 Picks, 0% WR
4 Picks, 0% WR
3 Picks, 0% SR
4 Picks, 0% SR

I am doing this to promote discussion about picking, so I created an interesting scenario with a hard answer, combined with lots of variation.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 03:06:24


Hostile
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Scandinavia first pick.

Indonesia + East China => very good double & worth both 4 production.

4th is probably Mexico. It is FTB and the direct counters are waste-landed.


5th & 6th could be Central Russia + Caucasus.




Antarctica does not provide good expansion. It has not much positional advantage (only Australia & and Africa).

I think Antarctica not great pick.




With 4x picks : India, Greenland and 1x Africa are good places to start.

Antartica last.
Australia is very much useless.

Edited 7/22/2016 03:09:21
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 03:21:55


DerWyyy
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1. Kazakhstan
2. Central Russia
3. East Russia
4. Middle East

thats what i would do, Scandinavia is not a bad pick though
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 03:45:21


Benjamin628 
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Not only did you completely ignore the fact that I wanted responses for 4 different setting variations, the logic in your picks is pretty poor. Why would you quadruple pick? Most players could counter that with India + East China easily.

My picks:


For WR:

1. Indonesia
2. Scandidavia
3. Central America
4. East China
5. Southeast Asia
6. West Africa

I think overall the best combo on this map is East + West Africa, so that is probably what I would take for the other 3 scenarios, since the EC + SEA combo is so easily countered by a cheeky Indonesia pick.

Edited 7/22/2016 03:50:29
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 04:17:20


Cata Cauda
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SR:

Indonesia
Greenland
East Africa
West Africa
East China
South East Asia

WR:

East China
Indonesia
East Africa
Australia
Scandinavia
South East Asia

Edit: I assume its only 3 picks. Too lazy for 4 picks at the moment.

Edited 7/22/2016 04:18:42
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 05:59:37

Omniscient 
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Anyone suggesting anything other than East China as the #1 pick, on either WR or SR has a lot to learn about picking as far as I am concerned. It is easily the best pick on the board. Past that though there are a lot of viable options.

I'd probably go with something like:

1. EC
2. AA
3. Aus
4. E Africa
5. Scandinavia
6. W Africa

That would be true for WR or SR I think.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:01:46


knyte 
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@Omniscient: assuming 4 picks, if you go for East China, would it be a good idea to make India your 4th pick (for FTB/intel purposes)?
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:10:28

Omniscient 
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I don't think I would personally, but I really don't believe there's one "best" set of picks on most maps. I personally would just assume they were in SEA if I got EC and play as if they were there. I wouldn't want it on 3 picks at least because Indo can too badly fuck the ftb there, but it might be better on 4 picks since jeopardizing 50% of your picks picks is much better than potentially jeopardizing 67% of them. Not played ME ever with 4 picks though (aside from 2v2 with 2 picks each, but that's not the same) and I dislike "mailer code" answers (ie. giving advice that is purely theoretical and untested).
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:33:52

Omniscient 
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I picked AA as #2 pick. It's solid. It's not better than East China.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:43:43


Tony Levin
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I don't really like the idea of picking both FTBs. Especially seeing as SEA is directly countered with Middle East.

I would've done (for WR 3x4):

1.) East China - Denies SEA FTB, great all-around presence in the area
2.) Antarctica - FTB/Counter
3.) Australia - FTB/Counter
4.) Indonesia - Counter to 1, Combo with if 2/3 are taken
5.) Scandinavia - Safety bonus, great if both East China and Antarctica are split
6.) Lots of viable 6th picks, I most likely would have countered my Scandinavia pick

The only thing I am concerned with is losing the Antarctica FTB and having the enemy in SEA (which is a definite possibility).


Ben, I assume Indo is a counter to both FTBs, is that why you didn't prioritize Antarctica at all?

EDIT: Antarctica is an obvious combo; even if you didn't pick it you can reasonably assume your enemy is there.

Edited 7/22/2016 06:45:51
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:49:33


Tony Levin
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    SR:

    Indonesia
    Greenland
    East Africa
    West Africa
    East China
    South East Asia
Can you provide your reasoning behind these picks? Greenland is a decent pick, but without Scandinavia it's useless. I'm not really interested in talking about SR because it's not as interesting as WR in this distribution IMO, but I definitely see the appeal of a Scand/Greenland combo with SR. Only problem is you have zero expansion after that.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 15:07:03


DerWyyy
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what is WR and SR....

and AA is not a good pick... it connects to Australia, S Africa and S America. to big to expand i guess. i personally never go to antartica unless im forced too
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 15:08:46

Medium Earth, Myself, and I
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WR is weighted round, SR is straight round.

AA is absolutely a good pick, typically one of the best picks on the board. You clearly don't know the template well, at all.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 15:11:20


DerWyyy
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it connects to everything, that can lead to being trapped.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 15:12:25

Medium Earth, Myself, and I
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What? Trapped would be connecting to only one thing, as is it's virtually never "trapped". It has great expansion, it threatens a huge portion of the board, and on this map it's a ftb.

Edited 7/22/2016 15:23:04
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 17:52:18


DerWyyy
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lol yes. i didnt mean trapped, i meant theres to much openings,sorry.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 18:16:52


OxTheAutist 
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(i've not looked at any other peoples picks before reading this lul so excuse me if I'm ox-tier bad)

WR 3 picks:

1. Southeast Asia - ftb lul
2. East China - ftb lul
3. Scandinavia - i ghess 3 bonus is kewl
4. Central America - coverage
5. Greenland - counter
6. Indonesia - double counter even though i could end up with 1,2,6, xDDD

SR 3 picks:

1. Greenland - it gud!!
2. Central America - 3 income
3. Southeast Asia - 3 income (wit deez 3 u get 16 income in 3 turns loool)
4. East China - counter!!
5. Scandinavia - counter!!!
6. Antarctica - 'cause why nawt


Rofl this is my thought process for most games.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 18:38:43

Medium Earth, Myself, and I
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Ox-tier-bad confirmed.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 18:53:24


Cata Cauda
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SR:

Indonesia
Greenland
East Africa
West Africa
East China
South East Asia
Can you provide your reasoning behind these picks? Greenland is a decent pick, but without Scandinavia it's useless. I'm not really interested in talking about SR because it's not as interesting as WR in this distribution IMO, but I definitely see the appeal of a Scand/Greenland combo with SR. Only problem is you have zero expansion after that.

5 armies bonus by turn 2. Also its very unlikely that one will counter that.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 18:58:22


AWESOMEGUY 
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I would have definitely countered that. I'm sure any other sane person would as well. Greenland by itself is great, but while Scandinavia is a viable pick AND counter, it's greatly weakened.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 19:32:05


Norman 
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I would have definitely countered that. I'm sure any other sane person would as well. Greenland by itself is great, but while Scandinavia is a viable pick AND counter, it's greatly weakened.

Yeah, I guess most of the times I would also have aimed to pick Greenland as something as 3 and Scandinavia then at 4. However since there are multiple first turn bonuses, I guess you would get away with taking Greenland as your first bonus and without Scandinavia.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 00:50:49


Benjamin628 
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Part 2:

(Sorry for toaster quality)



What would you pick here with:

3 Picks WR
4 Picks WR
3 Picks SR
4 Picks SR

Also, what would you do if this was MME?
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 00:52:24


Benjamin628 
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I think for 4 picks, you already have more map coverage, so definitely you could take the Aus + Indo combo. Otherwise Africa looks good, as well as Russia + Scan. China loses positionally to a Indo + Aus combo.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 01:52:18


Cata Cauda
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SR:                       WR

Scandinavia              Scandinavia
Central America          West Africa        
Antartica                Central America
Indonesia                West Russia
West Russia              South East Asia
West Africa              East Africa

For MME

SR:                     WR:

East US                 (Too lazy right now, I will edit the post)
Antartica
Scandinavia
East Russia
West Africa
Central America
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 15:23:16


Hades
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dafuq why was everyone ignoring antartica in the first one.

2nd one, just boston triple that shit, indo as #1, gor for the 2 turn 12 rather than aus first, if they didnt show up in SEA turn 2, you can take aus turn 3.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 15:28:04


PanagiotisTheGreekFreak
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SR:

1 Indo
2 Austr
3 Scan
4 CA
5 WR
6 SA

WR: Same :p
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 15:49:29


Benjamin628 
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Would anyone be interested in setting up a small round robin for either scenario?
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 18:11:06

Medium Earth, Myself, and I
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I would. Then again I'm basically in for any ME/MME tournament.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 20:01:31

Medium Earth, Myself, and I
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That's a bad Boston Triple. Only Boston Triple when it's turn 3 17. That Indo warlord is shit.

CA
Scandi
E US
SEA
Indo
Caucasus

Edited 7/23/2016 20:03:44
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 20:19:43


Hades
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Edit: lol im a retard

Edited 7/23/2016 20:24:50
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