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What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 02:30:21


Benjamin628 
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Antarctica has South Pole as it's distribution pick, no wastelands.



What would you pick in this scenario with the following cases:

3 Picks, 0% WR
4 Picks, 0% WR
3 Picks, 0% SR
4 Picks, 0% SR

I am doing this to promote discussion about picking, so I created an interesting scenario with a hard answer, combined with lots of variation.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 03:06:24


Hostile
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Scandinavia first pick.

Indonesia + East China => very good double & worth both 4 production.

4th is probably Mexico. It is FTB and the direct counters are waste-landed.


5th & 6th could be Central Russia + Caucasus.




Antarctica does not provide good expansion. It has not much positional advantage (only Australia & and Africa).

I think Antarctica not great pick.




With 4x picks : India, Greenland and 1x Africa are good places to start.

Antartica last.
Australia is very much useless.

Edited 7/22/2016 03:09:21
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 03:21:55


DerWyyy
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1. Kazakhstan
2. Central Russia
3. East Russia
4. Middle East

thats what i would do, Scandinavia is not a bad pick though
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 03:45:21


Benjamin628 
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Not only did you completely ignore the fact that I wanted responses for 4 different setting variations, the logic in your picks is pretty poor. Why would you quadruple pick? Most players could counter that with India + East China easily.

My picks:


For WR:

1. Indonesia
2. Scandidavia
3. Central America
4. East China
5. Southeast Asia
6. West Africa

I think overall the best combo on this map is East + West Africa, so that is probably what I would take for the other 3 scenarios, since the EC + SEA combo is so easily countered by a cheeky Indonesia pick.

Edited 7/22/2016 03:50:29
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 04:17:20


Cata Cauda 
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SR:

Indonesia
Greenland
East Africa
West Africa
East China
South East Asia

WR:

East China
Indonesia
East Africa
Australia
Scandinavia
South East Asia

Edit: I assume its only 3 picks. Too lazy for 4 picks at the moment.

Edited 7/22/2016 04:18:42
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 05:59:37

Omniscient 
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Anyone suggesting anything other than East China as the #1 pick, on either WR or SR has a lot to learn about picking as far as I am concerned. It is easily the best pick on the board. Past that though there are a lot of viable options.

I'd probably go with something like:

1. EC
2. AA
3. Aus
4. E Africa
5. Scandinavia
6. W Africa

That would be true for WR or SR I think.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:01:46


knyte 
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@Omniscient: assuming 4 picks, if you go for East China, would it be a good idea to make India your 4th pick (for FTB/intel purposes)?
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:10:28

Omniscient 
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I don't think I would personally, but I really don't believe there's one "best" set of picks on most maps. I personally would just assume they were in SEA if I got EC and play as if they were there. I wouldn't want it on 3 picks at least because Indo can too badly fuck the ftb there, but it might be better on 4 picks since jeopardizing 50% of your picks picks is much better than potentially jeopardizing 67% of them. Not played ME ever with 4 picks though (aside from 2v2 with 2 picks each, but that's not the same) and I dislike "mailer code" answers (ie. giving advice that is purely theoretical and untested).
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:33:07


Semicedevine
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wtf nobody realised how OP Antarctica was in this distribution?
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:33:52

Omniscient 
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I picked AA as #2 pick. It's solid. It's not better than East China.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:43:43


Tony Levin
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I don't really like the idea of picking both FTBs. Especially seeing as SEA is directly countered with Middle East.

I would've done (for WR 3x4):

1.) East China - Denies SEA FTB, great all-around presence in the area
2.) Antarctica - FTB/Counter
3.) Australia - FTB/Counter
4.) Indonesia - Counter to 1, Combo with if 2/3 are taken
5.) Scandinavia - Safety bonus, great if both East China and Antarctica are split
6.) Lots of viable 6th picks, I most likely would have countered my Scandinavia pick

The only thing I am concerned with is losing the Antarctica FTB and having the enemy in SEA (which is a definite possibility).


Ben, I assume Indo is a counter to both FTBs, is that why you didn't prioritize Antarctica at all?

EDIT: Antarctica is an obvious combo; even if you didn't pick it you can reasonably assume your enemy is there.

Edited 7/22/2016 06:45:51
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:44:21


Semicedevine
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for 3 picks SR I would have gone:

1) Australia
2) Antarctica
3) Southeast Asia
4) East China
5) Middle East
6) Scandinavia

on this board so many good bonuses are stacked right next to each other

this makes it likely to become a brawl type match, which means early income is a must

the 1 and 2 is a FTB and not only that but you can also use it to counter africa, which so many people have been saying "its safe" (hint hint not completely though)

3,4,5 used as a ballsy counter to a potential FTB pick from the opponent

since every pick leading up to this has been close to each other, by the time you get your 6th pick you'll probably border your opponent really early on... meaning you dont need big bonuses to complete but rather small bonuses of 3 will do (scandinavia)

(^every pick you make affects the next, keep that in mind XD)

Edited 7/22/2016 06:48:57
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:48:35


Semicedevine
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East China imo is a really sucky pick by itself on SR

because you have to spend so much income to expand into both territories early on, otherwise the bonus takes ages to complete (which can also be risky because...)

its not the safest pick ever because indonesia

but it would probably work much better for WR... idk

Edited 7/22/2016 06:49:34
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 06:49:33


Tony Levin
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    SR:

    Indonesia
    Greenland
    East Africa
    West Africa
    East China
    South East Asia
Can you provide your reasoning behind these picks? Greenland is a decent pick, but without Scandinavia it's useless. I'm not really interested in talking about SR because it's not as interesting as WR in this distribution IMO, but I definitely see the appeal of a Scand/Greenland combo with SR. Only problem is you have zero expansion after that.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 15:07:03


DerWyyy
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what is WR and SR....

and AA is not a good pick... it connects to Australia, S Africa and S America. to big to expand i guess. i personally never go to antartica unless im forced too
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 15:08:46

Medium Earth, Myself, and I
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WR is weighted round, SR is straight round.

AA is absolutely a good pick, typically one of the best picks on the board. You clearly don't know the template well, at all.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 15:11:20


DerWyyy
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it connects to everything, that can lead to being trapped.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 15:12:25

Medium Earth, Myself, and I
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What? Trapped would be connecting to only one thing, as is it's virtually never "trapped". It has great expansion, it threatens a huge portion of the board, and on this map it's a ftb.

Edited 7/22/2016 15:23:04
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 17:46:58


Semicedevine
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it connects to everything, that can lead to being trapped.

how high are you right now
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 17:52:18


DerWyyy
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lol yes. i didnt mean trapped, i meant theres to much openings,sorry.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 18:16:52


OxTheAutist 
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(i've not looked at any other peoples picks before reading this lul so excuse me if I'm ox-tier bad)

WR 3 picks:

1. Southeast Asia - ftb lul
2. East China - ftb lul
3. Scandinavia - i ghess 3 bonus is kewl
4. Central America - coverage
5. Greenland - counter
6. Indonesia - double counter even though i could end up with 1,2,6, xDDD

SR 3 picks:

1. Greenland - it gud!!
2. Central America - 3 income
3. Southeast Asia - 3 income (wit deez 3 u get 16 income in 3 turns loool)
4. East China - counter!!
5. Scandinavia - counter!!!
6. Antarctica - 'cause why nawt


Rofl this is my thought process for most games.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 18:38:43

Medium Earth, Myself, and I
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Ox-tier-bad confirmed.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 18:53:24


Cata Cauda 
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SR:

Indonesia
Greenland
East Africa
West Africa
East China
South East Asia
Can you provide your reasoning behind these picks? Greenland is a decent pick, but without Scandinavia it's useless. I'm not really interested in talking about SR because it's not as interesting as WR in this distribution IMO, but I definitely see the appeal of a Scand/Greenland combo with SR. Only problem is you have zero expansion after that.

5 armies bonus by turn 2. Also its very unlikely that one will counter that.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 18:58:22


AWESOMEGUY 
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I would have definitely countered that. I'm sure any other sane person would as well. Greenland by itself is great, but while Scandinavia is a viable pick AND counter, it's greatly weakened.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/22/2016 19:32:05


Norman 
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I would have definitely countered that. I'm sure any other sane person would as well. Greenland by itself is great, but while Scandinavia is a viable pick AND counter, it's greatly weakened.

Yeah, I guess most of the times I would also have aimed to pick Greenland as something as 3 and Scandinavia then at 4. However since there are multiple first turn bonuses, I guess you would get away with taking Greenland as your first bonus and without Scandinavia.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 00:32:19


Semicedevine
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actually Greenland is one of the worse picks on the map

first off, it's not the safest... because Scandinavia

if you want it to be really safe, you'll need to pick both Greenland and Scandinavia... which is bad because it means 2 out of your 3 picks are already trapped in the north (which btw is filled with wastelands)

some people say greenland by itself is good for coverage... i say yes it does give coverage, but only for a good portion of the map that no one would give a sht about in the first place (does not counter ANYTHING)

Edited 7/23/2016 00:33:37
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 00:50:49


Benjamin628 
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Part 2:

(Sorry for toaster quality)



What would you pick here with:

3 Picks WR
4 Picks WR
3 Picks SR
4 Picks SR

Also, what would you do if this was MME?
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 00:52:24


Benjamin628 
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I think for 4 picks, you already have more map coverage, so definitely you could take the Aus + Indo combo. Otherwise Africa looks good, as well as Russia + Scan. China loses positionally to a Indo + Aus combo.
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 00:55:21


Semicedevine
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wut but i wanna keep roasting people's ox-tier picks for the first one :(
What to Pick? (1v1): 7/23/2016 01:52:18


Cata Cauda 
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SR:                       WR

Scandinavia              Scandinavia
Central America          West Africa        
Antartica                Central America
Indonesia                West Russia
West Russia              South East Asia
West Africa              East Africa

For MME

SR:                     WR:

East US                 (Too lazy right now, I will edit the post)
Antartica
Scandinavia
East Russia
West Africa
Central America
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