We've been notified on July 16, 2016 4:51 PM by 101st that one of their players(Jinxed) has retired.

Here are the two stated rules on retirements at the start of the season.(https://www.warlight.net/Forum/141458-clan-league-8-preparation-thread )

5) Makeups - No makeup games AT ALL. No points if both sides booted. Players will be given a small boot bank to allow for a mistake.

6) Retirements - Someone can take over an account for a retired player if it is declared and they violate no other CL rules in the process (RR limit, 2 clans, etc). A player can also be replaced entirely in a tournament due to retirement (if you have no access to their account), but only in games not started yet.

It's taken a few days to resolve the issue and communicate among the CL panel as well as all Group B leaders. I believe every Group B leader is on board with this decision(except kram who did not respond). We've decided as per Rule 6, that all games in pick stage(not turn 1) after that date(7/16/2016) are eligible to be replaced outside the RR tourney. Jinxed must be replaced by another player who is not in 3 tournaments already.

The following games will be replayed.

• Battle Islands
  
  
  • https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11577648 - vs Memele
    
  • https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11578327 - vs <SNinja> Txomin
    
  • https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11593064 - vs kevin#1
    
  
  
• Guiroma
  
  
  
  • https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11577639 - vs farragut
    
  • https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11577644 - vs PJ017
    
  • https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11593060 - vs Metatron
    
  • https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11612188 - vs linberson
    

We'll figure out how to create these replacement games so as to not overburden players with too many games at once. Jinxed obviously cannot compete in any of these replacement games.

Group B clan leaders should communicate this to their players.

Edited 7/25/2016 18:04:37

101st/outlaws are back in the race

if it is declared

Does this strictly mean PM'ing or otherwise directly contacting the management of Clan League? Or is this rule more loosely construed? (Asking because that might affect some clans in Division D and possibly CORP in C).




Also props for going by notification date and not decision date.

Edited 7/25/2016 01:59:18

101st/outlaws are back in the race

racists

Does this strictly mean PM'ing or otherwise directly contacting the management of Clan League? Or is this rule more loosely construed? (Asking because that might affect some clans in Division D and possibly CORP in C).

Any form of notification to the CL panel should do.

Who decides the replacements? 101st is the clan, but outlaws makes a majority of those already in the lineup...both have a strong claim to the position of replacements.

Since all 101st current line-up is Outlaws and Plat (if I am correct) arranged all the things for 101st participation in CL8, Platinum should be the one saying to CL leaders who does replacement games in my opinion.

So the outlaws will determine which replacement players will play for the 101st team because when clan league is finished, they might be given their spot?

If this goes down, this would be the first time a clan league group spot would be given away mid-season. As a long-time admirer of clan league, I admit that I am very interested to see how this decision goes.

Moreover, are there restrictions on whom the replacements can be? Players who would've been eligible to compete for {101st} at the time of the roster deadline?

It seems like there will be multiple precedents set by this decision.

I think it should be someone that is already on their current roster that played in 1 or 2 events so far.

Would certainly be smart of Platinum to go that route and let CL sidestep the big 101st vs. Outlaws decision until after the season is over.

I think PJ017 is right on track. All the present CL8 101st roster is now in Outlaws. It is so because let's face it, the guys of Outlaws that were in 101st before were selected based on the fact that they would give the best chances to 101st to succeed. It doesn't make sense that we would now give the replacement games to guys that are still in 101st; they did not get selected to represent 101st before because the people making the decisions back then for the CL8 101st roster felt that theses guys had less skills than the others that made the cut.

As far as CL9 goes, I think the managers of CL9 should consider that ALL the guys that played for 101st in CL8 are now in Outlaws. I don't know what exactly what it implies, but it should be considered. It is not like if there would have been only 1 to 4 guys of the actual 101st line-up that would have moved to an other clan during CL8; it is ALL the roster that have moved.

Edited 7/25/2016 07:18:11

I'd say that this is indeed a very weird situation. But here's what I think, Plat is the lineup leader, and owtlaws has more ressources than 101st atm, we have the players needed for a replacement. Then I think plat should decide who to put in there, maybe considering 101st players as well?

Anyways, it doesn't matter who gets the CL9 spot atm, it's in the best interest of both clans that we get promoted here. We'll figure out what to do with the spot after the season, there's no need to think about this yet.

This situation clearly shows that there are some things wrong with the P/R system and that a CLOT could resolve much issues. New clans are being put in low divisions to force to prove they are worthy of being in higher divisions (like 7 Heaven, NWO and ACME in division E), when they could already be competitive in higher divisions like D or C (in my opinion).

Regarding what I have said "managers of CL9 should consider that ALL the guys that played for 101st in CL8 are now in Outlaws", it doesn't mean that I think 101st's spot should be taken by Outlaws, it means that Outlaws shouldn't be forced to start in Division E (imo) and that 101st should probably keep their spot in Division B no matter what happens.

Edited 7/25/2016 07:59:25

a CLOT could resolve much issues

Just in case you aren't aware (I can't tell), a CLOT is currently what's planned for CL9.

On the subject of replacements, I believe myself and the leader of 101st which is Forgotten Knight must agree on what players we want to replace Jinxed on Battle Islands and Guiroma, If there is a strong disagreement between the both of us of what replacement players we should use, I think there should be no replacement games at all as this is a issue which will be discussed after CL8 heading onto CL9.

Though, It should be a shared interest of both 101st and Outlaws to have the best possible team to help getting promoted to A (which is what my roster was aiming up for) so we can have the best possible spot for next season where the issue of who gets that spot can be decided then and there so that clan can continue that spots progress in A/B next season.

I'm currently engaged with 101st leaders + advisors and I'm eager to find a agreement on what shouldn't be a huge issue which doesn't need to be discussed yet.

Well, that ends all the speculation on my part about what would happen. :P Gosh, Plat, you ruined the fun of getting way ahead of ourselves.

I think it should be up to the players of 101st

A clan that splits cant have both sub clans in high divisions, otherwise just make a high division full of subs from one clan that has splitted a previous season. You see what i mean ?

Moreover the split can be hostile not friendly, yet the rule must stand for any case.

Outlaws dont have to retire from CL yet (it's like a guy who joined another clan during CL, there's no rule excluding him from it for that reason). If they choose to do however, 101 players should be replaced by 101 players and then play next season wherever they stand.

Outlaws should start from the bottom.

Thats my 2c and how I see it making sense.

Edited 7/25/2016 22:01:07

From my perspective, the whole point of any P/R league has nothing to do with rewarding excellence and everything to do with rewarding prolonged excellence. The fact that new clams enter at the bottom is not a flaw. It is deliberate because the system is designed to reward persistence and sustained success.

Changing CL from P/R to CLOT is fine, but it represents a distinct philosophical shift in what Clam League is trying to be.


If CL were to remain P/R, the question that would need to be resolved before the 9th season is who controls the actual identity of the 101st clam that competed in CL8 - the ones who control the clam, the players who competed for the clam, or neither.

The possibility that the split created two new clams, and that neither clam has an incontrovertible claim to the prior clam's identity should not be completely overlooked.