We live now in the era of the War of Terror, polit doesn't apply the same it did even 20 years ago. 30 years ago, Germany was still divided but the Soviet Band was not. 60 years ago, racism was still cool in most countries.

If it was really right, then in Japan, Russia, Germany, Britain, and other firstworld countries where is the government killing more than the civilian killing (despite firearm controles)?

We live now in the era of the War of Terror, polit doesn't apply the same it did even 20 years ago. 30 years ago, Germany was still divided but the Soviet Band was not. 60 years ago, racism was still cool in most countries.

We now live in the world of vast colonial empires, politics aren't even similar to twenty years ago, when most of Africa wasn't even mostly colonized. 30 years ago Germany was still divided, but Italy was a country for ten years already. 40 years ago, slavery was legal in America and Russia.

You can talk a lot about how the world has changed, but that doesn't change the fact that states are capable of things far greater in scale than common murderers around the world.

If it was really right, then in Japan, Russia, Germany, Britain, and other firstworld countries where is the government killing more than the civilian killing (despite firearm controles)?[/i]

Governments do not mass kill all the time. They do it in fast clusters, like the Holodomor, or Holocaust, not in measly parts like common murderers.

But fine.
Invasion of Dagestan killings: 2275 deaths
Estimate I have gotten of killings in Dagestan from the Russian murder rate then: 437

Governments do not mass kill all the time. They do it in fast clusters, like the Holodomor, or Holocaust, not in measly parts like common murderers.

Holodmor 1930s, Holocaust 1940s...it's been 70 years...don't apply old polit to new polit.

But fine.
Invasion of Dagestan killings: 2275 deaths
Estimate I have gotten of killings in Dagestan from the Russian murder rate then: 437

Don't cherrypick. All killings ever done by the Russian Federation I guarantee is lower than the Russian murder rate. Furthermore, the Invasion of Dagestan was began when Chechen-backed strenghts invaded, not Russia.

Mmmmmm yyiiisss the drama pleases me.

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Don't cherrypick. All killings ever done by the Russian Federation I guarantee is lower than the Russian murder rate. Furthermore, the Invasion of Dagestan was began when Chechen-backed strenghts invaded, not Russia

Don't tell me to not cheerypick when you're cheerypicking decades.

Holodmor 1930s, Holocaust 1940s...it's been 70 years...don't apply old polit to new polit.

Fine let's do a more modern example, Rwanda's genocide and civil war:

Estimated with numbers from 2006 as I don't know where to get older ones from, the murders in Rwanda 1990-1994: 1,145
Deaths from the Rwandan Civil War: 10,000
Deaths from Rwandan Genocide: 1,000,000

The Rwanda genocide was commited by the general population with civilians killing the most; if one thing thank god that they werent all armed, casualties would've been even higher.

Don't tell me to not cheerypick when you're cheerypicking decades.

It's 16 years, and even with 50, would it do much better, and much of these gun regulations have been much longer than 16 years. You say Rwanda, but for every country that does do violence on that scale, there's 8 that don't. For the five biggest first-world countries like America, Japan, Russia, Germany, or Britain which have had gun regulations of some format for some time now, what has happened?

Now in non-first world countries, there's China (but again, nothing past 2000) - but there's also India, Indonesia, Brazil, and Pakistan.

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The Rwanda genocide was commited by the general population with civilians killing the most; if one thing thank god that they werent all armed, casualties would've been even higher.

It was started by the government going around and killing folk.

It's 16 years, and even with 50, would it do much better, and much of these gun regulations have been much longer than 16 years

With fifty years? From 1950 to 2000, let's do this.

The chart shows 58 million dead, so I think it would fair (actually, it would give you a slight advantage) to chop it in half.

We don't even have to do more than one event.

Murders: 29M
Deaths from Great Leap Foward: 45M

5) Believing government conspiracies to take out your guns because a multi millionnaire lobby or a News Channel told you is not only stupid in regards of trusting people that obviously don't have your best interests in mind but also pathetic.
Is this "News" Channel that you mentioned also called Fox "News" Channel?
AR-15s and other such semi-automatic or automatic weapons (3 rounds a second is SO useful for mowing down that deer-mmmm! Good venison!) Civilians should not have weapons designed solely for military purposes. A rifle, a pistol, sure fine. Consider that when the 2nd Amendment was made all you could get was a musket, rifle, and jazz it up with a bayonet. Had they known people could get guns to kill 50+ people in just moments, they might've reconsidered.

If I am the president of the US:
I will only let civilians buy  ____________________"_____
and every time some one buy a/_________/                 |
That person must have a     /                            _] fight to the death with
another person that buy a  /      _______________________|
                          /      /_/
                         /______/

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TeamGuns was saying that another gun controle debate is going to get nowhere, and even if not, there's no grounds for you to be rude, anyway.

You're right, reading it again today it was a rude thing to say. Sorry teamguns.

I dont know any albanian that has not at least a gun in his home, it is a comon custom in albania to shoot some bullet in the sky after wedding for joy, or family festivities, we are a proud people and we will never renounce the right to own gun, we survived because of our resistence and hard custom and militarity valor, roman, greek and ottoman recognised it all! Illyrian warfare is legendary since 2 millenium BC Illyrians our ancestor were feared for their warlike culture and piracy (Liburnian thallasocrassy) in mediteranean they were not easily subjegated, we do not renounce never, and we fight until the last man for our FREEDOM! Kosovo is best example of it, bloody serbs tried to force them surrender and keep them, result was one of the biggest war in europe, that is not totally over yet, citizens, children, women and men, everyone took arms to defend their rights and freedom against serbian tyranny!

Fun fact, Lithuania which has fairly restrictive gun laws has a higher homicide rate than Albania, which has less restrictive gun laws.

You're right, reading it again today it was a rude thing to say. Sorry teamguns.

Appologies accepted, but truth is I didn't even took it as a personal targeting lol

result was one of the biggest war in europe

Hmmm, war is always bad and so was the Kosovo war. But considering it as one of the biggest wars that Europe had it's simply ignoring Europe's past lol

Wikipedia says that 13,548 civilians and fighters dead overall (Albanians, Serbs, Bosniaks, Roma)

Some medieval battles had casualties higher than that.

Look at Illinois, a state that has crazy insane gun laws (compared to my native Wisconsin). The largest city (and to many, they think it's the c(r)apital), Chicago, hits 500+ homicides a year REGULARLY.

Look at Los Angeles (and it's suburbs, like Compton), a city that sits within California, another state with restrictive gun laws, the Los Angeles Greater Metro Area is in the 1 and 2 highest gun related homicide rankings next to the Chicago Greater Metro Area.

Lets also go back to Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. All 3 had HEAVILY restrictive gun laws, and between the 3 killed 90 million people MINIMUM. Showing that simply abolishing guns (which the people pushing for gun control eventually want), will breed tyranny.

And finally, lets review a quote from Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy, Isoroku Yamamoto.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass.".
Today, the US has the best armed civilian population in the world (and history), with an average 89 guns per 100 people. There is an estimated 100 million legal gun owners in the US (this is excluding people with illegally obtained guns), with an estimated 300 million guns. This all points to the fact that IF the most technologically advance and the best equipped military the world has ever seen is ever defeated, the Civilian population of the US could repel an invasion on their own.

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At any rate, if gun controle will save more lives at the cost of more government controle, so be it. Is this agreeable?

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At any rate, if gun controle will save more lives at the cost of more government controle, so be it. Is this agreeable?

If it did, I'd agree to it.