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God doesn't exist: 7/30/2016 20:36:04


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God doesn't exist: 7/30/2016 20:41:03


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God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 01:32:56


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This would've been a better thread if there was any intent at all of discussion rather than just hate-bombing
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 01:36:12


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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I don't know. I'm an agnostic. The world is equally likely to be theist/deist and atheist from the evidence (or lack of evidence) that we have.
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 02:24:21


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God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 02:45:22


[WOLF] AMERICAN EMPIRE
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I don't know. I'm an agnostic. The world is equally likely to be theist/deist and atheist from the evidence (or lack of evidence) that we have.


Same here, the Romans didn't even have records of Jesus, so there goes the whole basis of Christianity.
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 02:48:57

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^Of course there isn't any record of Yeshua since there are not many Roman records about Judea left. Also Yeshua was not well known from a Roman perspective. Romans would have only recorded Yeshua as Yeshua ben Yosef (of Netzaret) if such records existed and there may be many people of the same name.

Jewish Christianity (as opposed to the more popular and non-Biblical Gentile Christianity) is pretty strict and logical, not really baseless. I was among them. Gentile Christianity has invented its own beliefs and as we know the more you have to believe the more likely a problem can be found in your belief. Gentile Christianity usually has too many doctrines on what to believe that is not clearly written in the Bible.

I believe real Jewish Christianity only has two axioms to be accepted by faith (while Tanakh only has the first one)
1.(Deity) Elohim of Yisrael is the only deity.
2.(Mashiach) There exists a Mashiach, namely Yeshua of Netzaret.

What is important is what I have excluded. I do not include any claim on Trinitarianism, predestination, rapture, whether Miriam was a perpetual virgin, what should be the correct Canon, whether the Bible as defined in any Canon is perfect, who wrote the Bible, etc. Most, if not all of these things are unclear from the Bible as we know it, hence there are many different interpretations.

Islam only has two axioms as well, one about Allah and the other about Muhammad.

Edited 7/31/2016 03:14:38
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 03:00:18


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Same here, the Romans didn't even have records of Jesus, so there goes the whole basis of Christianity.


There were something like 1000-100,000 (sources differ drastically) cases of persecution of early christians by romans. If you can find and show me records on each and every one then fine, maybe you've got a point, but I'm willing to bet that there aren't any sort of records on the vast majority of individual executions.
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 03:02:20

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^Yep. Romans loved killing people. Also records of early Christians != records of Yeshua. Romans certainly did not realize the importance of Yeshua until Christianity became sizeable. Hence no records.

Edited 7/31/2016 03:02:37
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 03:03:46


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So the Roman Empire wouldn't document the crucifixion of the leader of a movement that they saw as a threat?
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 03:05:02

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^They probably wouldn't since the Yeshua sect (Netzarim) was small and was not militant.

Also there were not much record of how Bar Kochba revolt in Judea some time later was suppressed either which was something politically and militarily far more serious.

Edited 7/31/2016 03:09:02
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 03:21:35


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So the Roman Empire wouldn't document the crucifixion of the leader of a movement that they saw as a threat?


As I said, there don't seem to be records even of executions that we know happened. And on top of that, there were thousands of different religions in the roman empire which they didn't keep records on. There's really no reason that this rather obscure offshoot of judaism would be any different.

Edited 7/31/2016 03:22:24
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 04:08:42


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You can cut yourself on this thread's edge
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 04:10:07


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^^Exactly. Especially since Judaism sounded so weird to Romans. Good luck for them to understand the fact that a new Jewish group that largely communicated in Aramaic now existed.

Edited 7/31/2016 04:11:02
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 04:11:43


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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This thread is pointless. I don't have to prove God exists. All I have to reference is the bible, and of course you'll claim it's false anyway. I'll just go on believing in God, I won't worry about you. You may be converted, you may go to hell. All I can say is I hope it's the former.
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 04:13:15


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I agree that this thread is pointless. Also the issue is whether there exists any deity which certainly can never be falsified. If some undeniable miracle happens people will believe in theism. However if there is no such miracle observed both theism and atheism will just continue to exist and argue with each other.

Edited 7/31/2016 04:14:46
God doesn't exist: 7/31/2016 09:07:22

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*tips fedora*
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