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Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 20:51:08


Major General Smedley Butler
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I have come to the conclusion that ISIS must be dealt with militarily.

http://isis.liveuamap.com

http://syriancivilwarmap.com

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Syria_Topography.png

As you see, ISIS's capital Raqqa is vulnerable to the north. If US, Russian, Kurdish and Turkish forces cooperated here, to break ISIS's back and knock out their command, it would destroy ISIS's governing ability, make it difficult to channel supplies without the Euphrates, and cause mass defections and routs from ISIS soldiers not so loyal to the cause(which X has pointed out in the past to be the majority). This should be bolstered by US, Iraqi, Syrian and Kurdish promises to not kill defectors and prisoners of war from ISIS. If this is done, I believe the war in Mashriq will be shortened enough to save thousands of civilian lives.
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 20:54:26


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"the invasion of isis was not needed" - MGSB 10 years in the future

Edited 8/2/2016 20:54:46
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 20:58:18


Major General Smedley Butler
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"the invasion of isis was not needed" - MGSB 10 years in the future

Kek.
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 20:59:07


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XD
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 21:03:52


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It's all about getting the regional powers to stop feeding them. Good luck having the Saudis stop supplying it :/
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 21:16:28


Major General Smedley Butler
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It's all about getting the regional powers to stop feeding them. Good luck having the Saudis stop supplying it :/

Turkey is already doing a 180 torwards Russia, and it's a pretty simple matter of de-allying with Saudi Arabia. Their oil is not needed anymore.
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 21:26:08


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We'll use the bodies of dead idiots we kill using tabbys idea as a new fuel source.
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 21:32:33


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MSGB, you should should become a general.
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 21:32:55


Major General Smedley Butler
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We'll use the bodies of dead idiots we kill using tabbys idea as a new fuel source.

Yeah, and we'll use them to fuel our test tube baby plants
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 21:36:50


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"the invasion of isis was not needed" - MGSB 10 years in the future


lol'd hard.
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 21:41:37

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The problem is not just ISIS, the problem is Islamism in general.

Hint: Nativists will not oppose Islamism forever. The only reason they currently oppose it is because it is seen as something foreign. With enough native converts they will change within several generations. Only seculars and believers of competing religions will.

Edited 8/2/2016 21:42:37
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 22:01:40


Major General Smedley Butler
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Also, there should be counterintelligence, making the Coalition forces look weak to a counterattack that would roll back the offensive, when in reality they wouldn't be. ISIS is fond of counterattacking, and if they try to commit as much to it as possible, the coalition could possibly destroy/capture/rout a large amount of ISIS forces outside of Raqqa, limiting civilian casulties while using US and Russian equipment like artillery to their full advantage.
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 22:31:34


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this.is.why.we.need.trump.cuz.hillary.is.too.scared.but.trump.will.bomb.ISIS.
Defeating ISIS: 8/2/2016 23:51:51


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Edited 8/2/2016 23:52:07
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 00:10:28


Жұқтыру
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Sofa commandership is not the way to go.

this.is.why.we.need.trump.cuz.hillary.is.too.scared.but.trump.will.bomb.ISIS.


I really really wish that was true, that would make my respect for Clinton go way higher, meantime, you've got scumbags like Trump who say that they're going to start killing innocent folk as official policy - what scum upholds this?
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 00:24:16


Major General Smedley Butler
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Sofa commandership is not the way to go.

In any scenario where I would have the power to implement my plan, I'd of course converse with real generals of the participating forces, and military advisors. Plus, most rulers are sofa commanders, it's not like Obama or Putin have real military training (Putin was KGB, not proper military), and they are guiding this anyway.
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 00:28:21


Жұқтыру
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Plus, most rulers are sofa commanders, it's not like Obama or Putin have real military training


They make wars, but they don't command in them, but I don't uphold what Obama and Putin are doing anyway.
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 00:39:00


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MSGB, you should should become a general.

Major General Smedley Butler
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Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 00:39:58


Major General Smedley Butler
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They make wars, but they don't command in them, but I don't uphold what Obama and Putin are doing anyway.

There is a reason the president is called the Commander in chief. Rulers tend to command in some form or another, usually being the folk who confirm which general strategies should be used in wars.
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 01:38:43


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You know this looked a lot better when I was typing it...

Edited 8/3/2016 01:39:56
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 02:09:42


Major General Smedley Butler
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Nuke

You really are a true socialist democrat.
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 02:15:47


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Violence only begets more violence.
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 02:26:36


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Sofa commandership is not the way to go.


That seems to be a popular quote in russia, for whatever reason =p

Violence only begets more violence.


Ok knyte, gandhi blood aside, as true as it is, letting ISIS be violent without responding is generating violence over time. A quick response with minimized damage (since these invasions are far more responsible than the free syria army or the syrian government) is the way to avoid it.

Edited 8/3/2016 02:26:43
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 02:29:46


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wtf does "begets" mean
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 02:46:30


Жұқтыру
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Ok knyte, gandhi blood aside, as true as it is, letting ISIS be violent without responding is generating violence over time. A quick response with minimized damage (since these invasions are far more responsible than the free syria army or the syrian government) is the way to avoid it.


Cordon them off if need be, but killing mostly draftees is not the way to go.
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 02:48:48


Major General Smedley Butler
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Violence only begets more violence.

Knyte, you wanted to overthrow a government for not being a American puppet, in what would be a very long and bloody war, and could spiral into a total world war.

I want to end a conflict quickly, with a way out for the opposing forces that doesn't push them into a corner, kills fewer civilians than the alternative, and ends that possibility of world war.
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 03:21:41


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I was joking, Smedley. Because the last time I suggested we take economic action against Russia strictly to enforce international law, you suddenly started blaming me for every war everyone's ever thought of.

Was hoping you'd maybe realize how much of an idiot you are. But looking at your profile picture... well, looks like you're turning into the physical embodiment of Yahoo! chain e-mails and edgy reddit spam.

Edited 8/3/2016 03:23:26
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 03:28:44


Major General Smedley Butler
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Oh wait I know why Knyte is trying to go after me on this! His favorite candidate supported ISIS and helped facilitate it's rise!

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

AQI (Al-Qaeda in Iraq) is identified as opposition to Assad's regime, AQI at the time had ISI(Islamic State of Iraq, later ISIS) as a part of it, the report noting that ISI's spokesman Muhammed Al-Adnani voiced the opposition of AQI and ISI to Assad's regime. The report also states that the West, Turkey, and the Gulf States support the opposition to Assad, which includes ISI. It even states that AQI might be able to return to Northern Iraq in the near future.

Hey Knyte, remember when I said that with non-interventionism Hitler's rise would have not been possible as the circumstances wouldn't have became what they were? Well guess what, this is the same thing, as without US support, AQI and ISI would have not been able to rise in Syria in the first place. Now please stop supporting the start of conflicts you won't have to get directly involved with and resolve.
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 03:31:01


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I was joking, Smedley. Because the last time I suggested we take economic action against Russia strictly to enforce international law, you suddenly started blaming me for every war everyone's ever thought of.

You suggested that we take down Assad's government, because they were not following "your rules". I used that same logic with the Putin regime that doesn't follow your rules.
Defeating ISIS: 8/3/2016 03:31:05


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Clearly, Woodrow Wilson is to blame for the Holocaust.

Thanks for the insight, Smedley.

No, I didn't suggest anything. I voiced my support for Clinton, not all of her policies. You're the one who brought it up.

And yes, I support military action (if necessary) against any regime that illegally uses chemical weapons on its own citizens. Sue me.

Edited 8/3/2016 03:32:34
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