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Clan idea: 8/7/2016 01:51:12


Spenglerian Traditionalist
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A far right clan with a feudal theme. Only westerners would be allowed to join.
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 02:10:50


Serbia 
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no far-right clans pls
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 02:22:13


Lolicon love 
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Well our clan gets wild discussing the idiocy of race mixing.
( ̄- ̄) sometimes I wonder what is right.
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 06:31:58


Clint Eastwood
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Actually, it kind of is. Now, I'm not racist; I have NO problems with other races.

That being said, it's been proven many times that places with little diversity (Iceland, for example) have higher happiness levels, lower crime rates, more of a sense of community, and are all in all better. Not saying mixing race is idiotic, but it certainly does have some cons.
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 08:35:56


Spenglerian Traditionalist
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multiracial areas have less social cohesion.
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 08:38:09


Serbia 
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NO CLAIMS
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 14:26:06


OxTheAutist 
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That being said, it's been proven many times that places with little diversity (Iceland, for example) have higher happiness levels, lower crime rates, more of a sense of community, and are all in all better.

Coincidence. Iceland is successful for many reasons, but little diversity is not one of them.

In fact, quite the opposite. At the very least, there is no effect. At most, however, race mixing can improve a child's genetics.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jul/02/diverse-parental-genes-lead-to-taller-smarter-children-says-extensive-study
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 14:29:06


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^The problem is not whether being multiracial is bad. The problem is that governments allow multiculturalism to exists which in essence is similar to a voluntary form of apartheid.

For economy and science we have to embrace multiracialism. However multiculturalism (allowing each group to have its own fiefdom) is bad. So the solution is one advanced culture for humanity.

Edited 8/7/2016 14:30:43
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 14:40:35


Spenglerian Traditionalist
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Ox why do you shill?
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 14:52:31

[FEL]Chatul
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^^It's not. The global culture should not be overly restrictive on certain matters such as religion. However we should only respect rights as opposed to unlimited human power. You are free to obey Sharia voluntarily as you wish and you should have the freedom to have access to cheap halal food, five times for prayers and Hajj. However the society should not allow Sharia to be enforced on those who do not wish to live under it.

Rights only belong to individuals as opposed to communities. The right of an individual does not extend to power to enforce rules on other individuals.

Edited 8/7/2016 14:53:14
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 15:10:45

[FEL]Chatul
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^The issue is that people of different religions and different sects of the same religion enforce contradictory religious laws. They all believe that they are righteous. You need to prove that Islam is the correct religion beyond a reasonable doubt before talking about enforcing Sharia.:-)

The main issue with religious laws is ambiguity. It is usually not very clear how to put the religious principles to legal practice. In Islam the result is different fiqhs. In Judaism there is no emphasis on religious laws in a criminal sense however there are still variation in jurisprudence. Religious laws are unchangeable. However you also need to make sure that its meaning is sufficiently clear and unambiguous. There are always new issues such as adaptation of religious laws on Mars for example. You need to make sure that there is one and only one legal authority that can resolve these issues.

Edited 8/7/2016 15:16:57
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 15:39:59


Shqip
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LEL Squiggle, you Muzzlamist fu**er confirmed.

Only Muzzlamists advocate degenerated Shariah law, go back to Africa nobody want you in Euope, you are a parasite for society, each day European are getting the confirmation taht Muzzlin cant live in their society, we need a cleanse!
Soon you and your kin will be exterminated and you will join your master in the eternal fire Allah the deceiver, Satan in disguise. There is no place in heaven for your lost soul Muzzlamist.
Now leave Netherlands, you are a shame for that nation that welcomed your parents, you are a shame for the whole Europe that naively welcomed your family in open arms, you are the very reason a war is going to start soon in the West. Parasites shall be exterminated.
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 16:08:17


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^Welcome back, Adlijan!

Please do not just condemn 1416. One thing I do is to get into others' position and analyze what's going on without judging people. Enforcing Sharia is a very bad idea however I wish to let 1416 explore this for a while and see the logical implications of this approach.

Edited 8/7/2016 16:09:31
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 16:11:23


Lolicon love 
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Ahh forgot that I shouldn't mention anything political
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 16:13:00


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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No matter whether one support or oppose an idea let's first discuss what the idea is. I oppose enforcing Sharia because nobody has proven Islam to be correct beyond a reasonable doubt.
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 16:57:05


Ikillu {TJC}
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"When one person believes in an imaginary man, they're called insane. When a group of people believe in an imaginary man, it's called religion"

Just going to leave that there, and point out that there exists the same amount of evidence proving the the flying spaghetti monster is the one true god as there does that Allah is the one true god.

You are free to obey Sharia voluntarily as you wish and you should have the freedom to have access to cheap halal food, five times for prayers and Hajj. However the society should not allow Sharia to be enforced on those who do not wish to live under it.

Rights only belong to individuals as opposed to communities. The right of an individual does not extend to power to enforce rules on other individuals.


But where do you draw the line? A man might claim as he follows Sharia law, it's his right to beat his wife (I'm pretty sure this is part of Sharia law, correct me if I'm wrong), but what if the wife doesn't wish to follow Sharia law, and doesn't want to be beaten. Some would claim that not letting the man beat his wife infringes on his freedom to follow Sharia law.
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 17:27:13


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^When he begins to beat his wife he is no longer merely voluntarily obeying Sharia law but instead it extends to enforcing Sharia law on another human, who in this case is his wife.

The right to voluntarily obey Sharia is a part of the right of an individual to practice Islam. However the power (note there are no collective rights. when you enforce anything on others this is power, not right) to enforce Sharia is not what a secular state should allow, let alone protect.

Edited 8/7/2016 17:29:07
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 17:31:23


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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The line that divides individual religious freedom which should be protected and collective religious power which should not is clear. When what you propose includes enforcing anything on another individual it is no longer a right but instead a power.

Hence in the case of Islam, the following are rights:
1.Right to go to, build and maintain a mosque
2.Right to participate in Muslim prayers, including in public schools
3.Right to wear Islamic clothing including in public schools
4.Right to marry a willing Muslim spouse according to Muslim customs
5.Right to perform Hajj, including right to obtain a passport in order to perform Hajj
6.Right to have access to, possess, read and recite Qur'an, Hadith and other Islamic works
7.Right to refuse to engage in activities such as paying for abortions that are un-Islamic
8.Right to access Islamic banking
9.Right to have easy and affordable access to halal food
10.Right to receive Islamic religious education (but not to enforce it on one's kids)
11.Right for a non-Muslim to voluntarily convert to Islam
12.Right to be an Islamic scholar or clergy

The following are power instead of rights:
1.Power to indoctrinate one's child to be a Muslim regardless of his/her will
2.Power to enforce Sharia
3.Power to form Islamic governments
4.Power to form Islamist militant organizations
5.Power to execute apostates
6.Power to forcefully convert anyone to Islam
7.Power to force anyone including one's spouse and kids, to perform Hajj, to recite the Qur'an or anything else in what I consider to be rights above
8.Power to form a Sharia court unless it is only for the purpose of arbitration between willing Muslim parties. (That means if someone, even a Muslim does not want to go to a Sharia court for civil arbitration he/she can not be forced to attend it or obey its decisions) In this limited case Sharia courts should be allowed and supervised by the secular state.

Edited 8/7/2016 18:08:29
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 17:50:03


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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This applies to other religions as well.

Hence a Christian official should have the freedom NOT to marry homosexual couples while homosexual couples should be allowed to be married by a non-Christian. (I know this is unfortunately not the case now. Too many duties, too few rights). However forcing a child to be a fundamentalist Christian school should not be allowed since it infringes on the rights of the child.

Why is power often protected more than rights? Neither the left nor the right care about rights enough.

Edited 8/7/2016 17:55:07
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 19:12:02


supergamerzchannel 
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The "Will of Allah" is shit. Why the hell do I want to go to heaven with a god that killed people for just being gay. What I do in my bedroom is none of "allah's" business.
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 19:31:11


Ikillu {TJC}
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But according to Sharia law, isn't it a the right of the man to beat his wife? So surely, if he isn't allowed to beat his wife, then his right to beat his wife and therefore his right to follow Sharia law is being denied?
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 19:33:15


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^This is a power, not a right. One's right does not extend to power over another person.

Edited 8/7/2016 19:33:50
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 19:44:23

[FEL]Chatul
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^I'm not. However the secular state has to function with Muslims existing. That's why a rights vs power distinction has to exist. This system roughly works for most religions and atheism. Now we also need to get Islam to work in this way, otherwise our lives can be destroyed.

Edited 8/7/2016 19:45:14
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 19:45:11


Rogue Nikolai Krogius
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If the wife also believes in Sharia Law then no crime is being committed. Nobody has standing in this case. The wife wants to be beaten to comply with Sharia Law.

If she doesn't believe in Sharia Law then Common Law comes into jurisdiction and she has standing to try her husband. In any disagreement between somebody who believes in Common Law and somebody who believes in Sharia Law then the person with Common Law has standing to try the case in their courts.

Edited 8/7/2016 19:47:04
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 19:46:18

[FEL]Chatul
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^Exactly though I feel sorry for the woman. Seriously if you are willing to be beaten then in Massachusetts the action of beating you is not assault and battery.

Edited 8/7/2016 19:47:40
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 19:59:21

[FEL]Chatul
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Sharia courts should be banned or at least largely banned all over the world.
^Shut down the Sharia courts in the Middle East as well. Isolationism does not work in the long run.

Edited 8/7/2016 20:00:23
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 20:15:52

[FEL]Chatul
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The west is never safe from Islamism until it ceases to exist. Hence mere quarantines do not work in the long run.

Also Sharia should never have any official status anywhere on Planet Earth. People beating their wives when the women consent is just like BDSM beating. Yeah they should have the same legal status. Neither is a good thing.

Edited 8/7/2016 20:18:44
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 20:20:33

[FEL]Chatul
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^What about European converts, Albanian Muslims and Bosniaks? There is no place to expel them to since they are natives.

I don't think we need nukes for that now. Just disarm and disband every single Islamist state and make them UN protectorates. Disarm all citizens of the UN Protectorates. The West should not be forced to bear all the responsibility in maintaining peace. Russia, China, India etc should also share the burden. However all nukes in Pakistan should be removed.

Edited 8/7/2016 20:23:37
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 21:01:47


Rogue Nikolai Krogius
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"Sandpeoplistan"

I laughed so hard.
Clan idea: 8/7/2016 21:24:17


Platinum
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Politics is a good subject and it is important people are aware of such thing although..

Why do you need to create a clan solely based on ones political beliefs? Do you feel you don't get enough attention/attraction so you must create a clan to publically showcase it?

I always get a sense some people do all their politic talk/business and would rather be a keyboard warrior on the safe seat behind their computer then doing anything outside there house.
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