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Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 10:57:04


apollong3
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So local deployment is very interesting and creates very unique scenarios,however there is one thing that bugs me about it.If only local deployment was compatible with multiple bonuses.It can work this way:

Say we have a bonus X which is a part of a superbonus Y.

The player is able/has to deploy the armies bonus X provides within that bonus and the armies superbonus Y provides within that superbonus,including bonus X.

This may seem like dumb and purposeless change,but when combined with the creation of special maps,it can be used to do amazing things,such as effectively separating navy and ground without dumb/complicated water provinces.People who seek complexity are happy,while the game's simplicity isn't ruined for those who would like it preserved.

I know I will be told to uservoice it and I probably will at some point,I just wanted to hear your opinions.Is it something you would like to see implemented?

Edited 8/17/2016 11:01:13
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 11:14:22


apollong3
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@Bayern Munchen is the best!

What can you possibly lose by giving scenario an map creators more choice?I am simply suggesting the expansion of an already existing feature,not the introduction of something that will make this game like atwar.
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 11:50:25


Bayern München is the best!
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What can you possibly lose by giving scenario an map creators more choice?I am simply suggesting the expansion of an already existing feature,not the introduction of something that will make this game like atwar.

If you mean adding it as a choice,ofc I'm for it. I just thought you meant that you want it to be so every time.
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 12:05:16


❤HankyPinky
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Fizzer has said in a thread (maybe I can link it here later) that the reason overlapping bonuses doesn't work with local deployment is warlight's programming doesn't know which bonus to put the deployed armies in. In that same thread, I suggested to have a rule that tells warlight to always deploy in the bonus with the fewest territories first.

Seems simple to me, but I have zero programming knowledge. Also, I didn't fully understand what your solution was, or if it's different than mine.
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 12:20:58


apollong3
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Yeah,I forgot to include the part where I mention that I am not sure how it would work in warlight's programming.It may ultimately be impossible without extra work from the dev
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 13:50:28


Stewie
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slightly off-topic, but I'd like to have this issue fixed first before having LD compatible with multiple bonuses;

https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/5702941-auto-deployment-in-one-territory-bonuses-when-play

LD itself in it's current state is very clumsy and a pain to play in maps that have more than 30 bonuses(more than 90% of the maps in WL) which results in a lot of boots in RT and a lot of stallings in MD games as it gets really grindy in late games, nobody wants to spend more than 5 minutes to find and deploy armies to places where LD restricts.

Edited 8/17/2016 14:02:12
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 14:33:19


Bayern München is the best!
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Who reported me for calling the IDEA stupid while saying that I called SOMEONE stupid. Anonym?
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 14:49:49


apollong3
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It was not me
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 14:51:21


ℳℛᐤƬrαńɋℰ✕
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@HankyPinky

Assuming you mean this thread - https://www.warlight.net/Forum/73661-local-deployment-question
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 15:19:11


Perrin3088 
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the thing is, Fizzer could probably work the code to support *superbonuses*
but the problem he faces is bigger than that.
overlapping bonus' or city bonus' are all overlapping bonus' and don't necessarily have larger territory base.
a simple solution wouldn't solve all possible situations involving local deployments, and the settings aren't made for specific maps.
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 16:06:31


[REGL] Pooh 
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Or, you could always assign armies to the bonus with the highest value, so if it was part of a 5 army, a 10 army and a 15 army bonus, it would subtract from the 15 bonus allocation... and down the line. Would need to work in Anywhere armies too.
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 17:32:31

M. Poireau
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How is programming code able to handle "anywhere armies" (which is effectively a superbonus encompassing the entire map) while getting confused by overlapping bonuses? It seems like it would be a fairly simple fix, but I'd love to hear more details on why it causes issues.

It certainly would be a great help to be able to play maps with superbonuses using LD. It's a shame that so many great maps can't be played with Local Deployment (at least not without destroying many of their most interesting strategic features).

As a less cumbersome alternative to Local Deployment, I encourage you to try (and vote for, if you like it) Deployment Limits. It produces games somewhere in-between regular Warlight and Local Deployments, and has lots of interesting side-effects, like encirclement and the ability to maintain a border against an enemy during time of war.

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/82395-deployment-limits-easy-new-rule-implement

Deployment Limits don't produce any problems on maps with superbonuses.
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/17/2016 18:01:46


Bayern München is the best!
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EDIT: (Comment removed)

Would you like,anonym,to remove all your profiles and leave warlight without reporting innocents?
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/20/2016 04:05:46


Semicedevine
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Or, you could always assign armies to the bonus with the highest value, so if it was part of a 5 army, a 10 army and a 15 army bonus, it would subtract from the 15 bonus allocation... and down the line. Would need to work in Anywhere armies too.

you know this is actually a really... really good idea

why isnt this a thing yet
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/20/2016 04:18:40


Semicedevine
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+1 Poireau you destroyed my counter counter argument

Edited 8/20/2016 04:19:35
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/20/2016 06:56:26


Perrin3088 
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Pooh, except that many super bonus' aren't larger than the subsequent bonus' either, so it again wouldn't work.

say you want 5 bonuses to be worth 5 each, and the total to be worth 28, so you make a super bonus worth 3.
there are many maps like this already.

Poi, because it simply goes bonus > everywhere for everything.
for anything else it would have to differentiate between two similars which one it needs, and then take from the general pool.

since you always know the general pool comes last, the system doesn't have to do anything to determine whether the general pool should be used first.

and the problem of overlapping bonus' doesn't occur only on super bonus', there are several maps that have similar bonus' of a similar size and value that just overlap for various reasons.. local deployment would only work efficiently for the territories in those bonus' that have a single bonus assigned to them, the rest it would have difficulty figuring out which bonus it should take from first.. Fizzer could assign a check box for you to assign which bonus it comes from, but that would make LD games even more tedious then they already are.

I believe it's been mentioned before for there to be a way to declare super bonus' as such, which would solve this and other problems, although it still wouldn't solve adjacent overlapping standard bonus'.

an example that comes up https://www.warlight.net/Map/6121-Continent-Early-Colonial-War

don't get me wrong.. I would love to be able to use LD on some of the maps *including the one I linked* but it seems that any solution would be faulty or needlessly complicated Imho.
Suggestion:Make local deployment better: 8/20/2016 07:20:02


apollong3
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What I was suggesting was for each bonus to work independently.That means that you can spawn the armies a bonus provides within that bonus,regardless of what bonuses it overlaps or is a part of.

That does not have the problems mentioned above:

Let's say we have bonus X,consisting of territories a,b,c,d,e and bonus Y consisting of territories b,c,f,g,h

Armies of bonus X can be spawned on territories a,b,c,d,e and armies of bonus Y can be spawned on territories b,c,f,g,h accordingly.
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