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Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 02:22:00


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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http://www.jill2016.com/platform

Reduce taxes and increase government spending, all while reducing national debt! What an amazing woman!
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 02:27:10


Major General Smedley Butler
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Jill Stein thinks wifi kills brain cells ffs
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 04:11:02


BUFFALO
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discount bernie
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 04:16:54


Bane 
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*when a 16 year old talks about politics*


Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 04:41:38


BUFFALO
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the future of politics is in the youth's hands
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 04:59:46


Spenglerian Traditionalist
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''future of politics''

No such thing.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 05:06:05


BUFFALO
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kinda like ur social life
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 05:20:30


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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I am laughing hard at all the people who didn't get the joke.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 06:17:45


Genghis 
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Debt is largely exaggerated issue.

Debt is the basis of the working system of capitalism. Only issue is congress' budgeting.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 06:25:50


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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Jill Stein thinks wifi kills brain cells ffs
Oh, so that's what's wrong with her?

Debt is largely exaggerated issue.

Debt is the basis of the working system of capitalism. Only issue is congress' budgeting.

+1. The amount of debt that is too much is vastly underestimated.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 13:29:24


Major General Smedley Butler
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https://mises.org/library/american-economy-not-free-market-economy

American economy =/= Capitalism

Edited 8/31/2016 13:31:34
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 13:33:47


Major General Smedley Butler
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Oh, so that's what's wrong with her?

No, the hagraven thinks socialism works too. Can't really tell which position is more insane.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 13:36:07


Major General Smedley Butler
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Well of course MGSB, a completely capitalist system would destroy itself. The US does regulate it to some extent, but not enough.

Explain how a completely capitalistic system would destroy itself. If I remember correctly, the last major recession was caused by the government causing malinvestment and easy to get mortgages.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 13:46:28


Bla 
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Well, I'd never vote for Jill, even if I lived in USA, which is another thing I'd never do, but if you cared to read the page try to note it says:

* End all subsidies for fossil fuels and impose a greenhouse gas fee / tax to charge polluters for the damage they have created.

* Make Wall Street, big corporations, and the rich pay their fair share of taxes.

* Rewrite the entire tax code to be truly progressive with tax cuts for working families, the poor and middle class, and higher taxes for the richest Americans.

* Strengthen rather than cut Medicare and Social Security. Remove the cap on social security taxes above a certain level of income.

There are both tax cuts and tax increases in there, and if she raises more than she cuts, she doesn't really need to be a magician.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 16:06:08


Major General Smedley Butler
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The goal of capitalist company is to produce a product, as cheaply as possible and sell it for as much as possible

Yes, meeting the needs and wants of your fellow man as efficiently as possible. Don't see the problem here.

Meaning all regards given to one's fellow humans are destroyed for the sake of profit

Companies aren't the ones robbing folk en masse.

which is why so many banks are willing to give huge loans to African nations and force them into debt in order to achieve a cheaper price for the natural resources of the continent

Africans have a natural tendency to be anti-saving. This comes from the most successful folk in the region before now, usually being hunters or warriors, due to farming not being widespread. This means that genes that influence waiting being passed down usually leaned to the side of instant gratification rather than waiting for something better.

There is also strong interventionism and deterrents to saving in Africa currently, with things from interest rate lowerings to war and outright confiscations of savings, frustrating anyone who would want to save.

Capitalism will produce ecocide simply because of the greed that is required for the economic style.

https://fee.org/articles/governments-are-the-worst-violators-of-pollution-laws/

Funny enough, government is the biggest polluter.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 16:08:29

Toluene
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Well, I'd never vote for Jill, even if I lived in USA, which is another thing I'd never do, but if you cared to read the page try to note it says:

* End all subsidies for fossil fuels and impose a greenhouse gas fee / tax to charge polluters for the damage they have created.

* Make Wall Street, big corporations, and the rich pay their fair share of taxes.

* Rewrite the entire tax code to be truly progressive with tax cuts for working families, the poor and middle class, and higher taxes for the richest Americans.

* Strengthen rather than cut Medicare and Social Security. Remove the cap on social security taxes above a certain level of income.

There are both tax cuts and tax increases in there, and if she raises more than she cuts, she doesn't really need to be a magician.


Renewable energy is also heavily subsidized. Energy subsidies need to be abolished because they are siphoning public money. Without subsidies energy companies could compete and reach the most efficient solution instead of bringing in the government dollars are not having to innovate.

Cut social security for druggies and the bottom of the barrel IQ scores and let natural selection take its course. Society should support the talented not equalize them with lesser people.

Encourage people to live within their means instead of requiring big tax money.

Taxes are better spent engineering a better society through eugenics and education. Educate people to be productive, virtuous individuals, Crack down on degeneracy.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 16:11:33


OxTheAutist 
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let natural selection take its course

Very interesting way of saying "I want my state to be a killer" :)

Edited 8/31/2016 16:11:41
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 16:13:41


Belgian Gentleman
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Smedley is a better magician!
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 19:37:17


Von Jewburg
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Johnson > Stein any day of the week.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 20:17:43


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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Stein is absolutely useless. There is no way America could survive bringing her in.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 8/31/2016 21:23:41


Жұқтыру
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Energy subsidies need to be abolished because they are siphoning public money.


End government since it is siphoning public money.

Smedley found another anarchist.

let natural selection take its course.


while we're at it, since we're going back to nature, let's stop wearing clothes and end government.

anarchist points: 2

Stein is absolutely useless. There is no way America could survive bringing her in.


She's the best candidate by far (except for maybe G. Johnson).
Jill Stein is a magician!: 9/1/2016 00:13:28

Toluene
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End government since it is siphoning public money.


Fallacy; I even stated in the same post that I believe the state should regulate other aspects of society. Believe it or not it is possible to be against subsidies and support other programs. If you weren't lazy, illiterate, or (most likely) a combination thereof you would have reached this conclusion.


while we're at it, since we're going back to nature, let's stop wearing clothes and end government.


Same deal here, slippery slope fallacy. No platform may have a sensible balance of playing to human nature and offering some societal organization, every idea MUST be taken to the extreme, or, is wrong because it CAN be taken to the extreme.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 9/1/2016 00:47:42


Жұқтыру
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^weak mind and poopy tongue fallacy.

but much what you're saying is either short-sighted, or sinfully selfish, I only mean this as a truth.

Do you know how many folk die each year from causes from lack of environmental regulation in America? About 400k from air pollution alone. Who knows how many more folk got sick or were born with birthdefects? That's a worse death toll than all those in wars killed by American strength and all Americans killed by murders.

As for natural selection, it's cruel, and I'd highly doubt that you'd follow through with it if it was you on the other end. Would you kill your child (assuming it was legal) if he was born with some kind of rare genetic defect?

I'm for eugeny and there are much better ways of doing it than condemning folk to death.

Your other points were in a like thought.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 9/1/2016 01:24:51


BUFFALO
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thats what the government wants you to think
Jill Stein is a magician!: 9/1/2016 01:48:20


Major General Smedley Butler
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I don't want the US to end up like Venezuela in ten or fifteen years. Millions starving is not a fun thing to mess around with.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 9/1/2016 05:46:16


Bla 
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Renewable energy is also heavily subsidized. Energy subsidies need to be abolished because they are siphoning public money. Without subsidies energy companies could compete and reach the most efficient solution instead of bringing in the government dollars are not having to innovate.


Well, what's most profitable for a company doesn't take into account how much damage it does to the environment. If a wind turbine can produce electricity at 10 energy units per money unit invested, but coal can produce 12, coal may be able to offer cheaper prices, but it may also cause 3 money units worth of environmental damage per energy unit produced. However, those who run the company won't feel that damage - it will be distributed across all of society, or the world.

It's a typical capitalist fallacy that what's most profitable, is the best for society.

And regarding renewable energy, many technologies aren't that inefficient anymore. Now USA isn't a huge interest to me as I don't live there, but in Denmark, analysis from the energy department shows that wind turbines on land are more efficient than other technologies, including coal, per energy unit produced.
http://www.ens.dk/info/nyheder/nyhedsarkiv/ny-analyse-vind-billigst
Wind on land: A bit over 0.3 DKK/kWh
Wind on sea, coal and natural gas: ~0.6 DKK/kWh
By the way, Denmark has built up a large export sector of wind turbines and is among the leading countries in that area because of public subsidies going back to the 1980's, which the economy has benefitted from.

And non-renewable energies are also heavily subsidized in USA btw.

Edited 9/1/2016 05:52:50
Jill Stein is a magician!: 9/1/2016 06:07:20


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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Magic is the work of Queen Elizabeth II and her fellow Reptilians.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 9/1/2016 06:14:32


[TNW] Commander Vimes
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Guys, you are really missing the point.
Jill Stein is a magician!: 9/1/2016 16:38:56


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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Dirty commies...
Jill Stein is a magician!: 9/1/2016 16:49:36


Major General Smedley Butler
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Well, what's most profitable for a company doesn't take into account how much damage it does to the environment

Doesn't always take into account*

It's a typical capitalist fallacy that what's most profitable, is the best for society.

Usually is; sometimes it isn't, but that can be done in through non-state means.

And regarding renewable energy, many technologies aren't that inefficient anymore

This is pretty good; non-area specific resources are much better than area specific resources.
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