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Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/13/2016 17:23:39

[FEL]Chatul
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By genocide by ethnic bioweapon, I mean any organization or individual using genetic differences among humans to suddenly kill most, if not all members of a particular genetic group due to the incorrect belief that in doing so they can get rid of certain ancestry-based groups that correspond to what are currently called races and ethnic groups. (In reality I doubt they can have a casualty rate of 80%+ due to the fact that these groups aren't well-defined genetically to begin with).

Also I'm not talking about limited usage of these doomsday weapons in war on the battlefield. On the other hand, I mean using them against civilians for the sole purpose of complete, global destruction of entire peoples when there is no war.

How can this be prevented? If such weapons are used even once this can easily lead to even more usage including destruction of humanity. Another issue is that even if one faction (such as Germans or Japanese) managed to wipe out everyone else what will happen is that those who are previously considered one group may fragment into different groups and this global genocide just repeats. This is just like Stalinist purges. No matter how "pure" the world is there is always more "impurity" to purge.

Edited 10/13/2016 17:28:33
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/13/2016 17:24:58


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Also I'm not talking

Good.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/13/2016 17:37:28

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It's really not that ethnic bioweapon is the only issue. What about a gender bioweapon? What if some crazy radical feminist believes that the very existence of men is a form of oppression and there can be no freedom for women if men continue to exist. Then she develops a weapon to kill all men. What if a bunch of frustrated single males who are highly educated and have access to labs develop a gender bioweapon to kill all women? What about an anti-human bioweapon? Like someone who only wants himself/herself to exist with everyone else dead. There is actually some evolutionary incentive for Mr.A to make sure that nobody other than him and his family exists. Ironically an ethnic bioweapon is unlikely to be as accurate and deadly as a gender/anti-human bioweapon since in the latter case the genes to remove are actually pretty clear. None of these will happen with a genocidal war declared first. Instead it will be a global, devastating sudden attack from which no members of the targeted group are expected to survive. In these cases it won't even be clear who may be behind these attacks. This is a bit like people mass spamming WL forums. However there are no Fizzer/mods and the community is permanently destroyed.

Edited 10/13/2016 17:44:19
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/13/2016 17:59:20


Жұқтыру
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Also I'm not talking
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/14/2016 21:44:18


Von Jewburg
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That's impossible Chatul. You're no different from Karl.

The Kikes are behind everything. They're getting the shitskins to attack us

How can this be prevented? If such weapons are used even once this can easily lead to even more usage including destruction of humanity.


You're both fucking paranoid, and you both should get it through your minds that maybe humans just want to be fucking left alone from your grand political schemes and shitpost as we damn please.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/14/2016 23:07:31

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[Downvoted all trolly comments. Upvoted thread. Whatever you think of the original poster, this is a legitimate topic for the OT forum.]

It's a good question, and I wonder if there are any good answers for it. I think the only really effective long-term defence against this is to educate people about 'race' and human genetics and origins. Basically, attack the false *belief* that would motivate such a weapon in the first place.

Currently, the difficulty of engineering such a weapon is the main thing deterring their development. But eventually, the difficulty will drop and it will then become difficult to keep the necessary tools and methods out of the wrong hands.

One thing that's going for us, I suppose, is that in order to engineer such a weapon, you kinda have to have some real understanding of how evolution works, which, ironically, will undermine such racist beliefs in the first place. But I fear that eventually the technology required will become so cheap and ubiquitous that even someone with no real understanding of evolution could use it.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 00:07:22


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http://www.strawpoll.me/11430434

I suppose I'm just a troll


no just spastic and awkward.

"liberty was invented by the white race"
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 00:59:07


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[Downvoted all trolly comments. Upvoted thread. Whatever you think of the original poster, this is a legitimate topic for the OT forum.]

I'm pretty sure this is the third thread with the same original post...
- downvoted post by Spenglerian Traditionalist
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:10:01

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But then again, I suppose I'm just a troll .
I don't down-vote people, I down-vote comments. Your last two comments (before this ^ one) are very good by my standard (which is signal-to-noise ratio).
There are physical differences in the genetics of the different breeds of homo-sapien. You could develop a disease that targets high-melanin homo-sapiens, or Negros. Whites and most East Asians would be spared from this disease, but it would affect much of the world's population.
Theoretically, you could target such superficial differences. It would be difficult, though, and you'd likely end up getting a lot of false-positives and false-negatives, such as high-melanin non-Africans and low-melanin Africans.

Also, something with such a simplistic targeting selectivity would probably be relatively easy to develop a vaccine against.
Also, I agree it would be difficult but national socialist governments have been proven pretty effective in research, creating advances in rocketry, radio technology, etc.
Interestingly, though, they did not do well with biology, since most of them a) fundamentally misunderstood inheritance (thinking in terms of 'bloodlines', and other such folk-genetics), and b) rejected Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection (contrary to what many believe).
See, humans all possess different qualities confirmed by their DNA.
This is true.
This DNA is constructed differently by race
But this is not. There is no such identifiable 'construction by race'. There are no such 'races', in fact. Yes, people inherit features from their ancestors. But inheriting features is not the same thing as a 'race'. Otherwise, you would have to declare that there is a 'race' of 'blue eyed people' and a 'race' of 'brown-eyed people', etc.
We could create diseases that target certain DNA construction and ignore our own DNA. There are plenty of disease that affect DNA already, it's not a far fetched idea. In addition to this, we could hand out vaccines to the population at the will of the biological warfare and force them into a sort of slave labor force.
Again, the main thing is that at present even the basic idea would be very difficult, and the 'race'-based designs you're talking about are basically impossible; because there are no actual 'races' of humans.

Edited 10/15/2016 01:12:37
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Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:11:31

wct
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I'm pretty sure this is the third thread with the same original post...

Really? Where are the other two?
- downvoted post by Spenglerian Traditionalist
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:22:37


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>everyone who disagrees with me is a retard

You make it so easy to use your own arguments against you. It's so so satisfying.

Edited 10/15/2016 01:22:45
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Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:28:14

wct
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keep derailing

Instead of feeding trolling with a reply, just downvote the comments and move on.
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Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:35:24

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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Such a genocide actually won't happen as long as more than one major ancestry-based group have nukes. However this is already true since Jews, Europeans, South Asians and East Asians have nukes. So the balance of terror will continue without anyone actually getting massacred.

Edited 10/15/2016 01:36:20
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:38:25

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What will happen is that if you try to exterminate one group it won't be 100% successful within one night, hence the remaining people will just nuke everyone in revenge. Such a threat can effectively keeps genocides by ethnic bioweapons from happening.

^This is reasonable. National socialism is indeed efficient in developing weapons. However this takes time to develop. As long as there are two groups that have these weapons of mass destruction humanity will be safe. You need a complete monopoly to make this happen. I just don't see such a monopoly (hopefully within one ethnic group) happening. What's probably going to happen is several major groups having such weapons but nobody dares to use them. I mean it doesn't matter what they are. Anyone who has the means to make the earth Grey Goo, nuke the world, use robots to take over or use ethnic bioweapons to kill everyone else can make it hard for any group to do so. Just look at Israel's Samson Option.

Edited 10/15/2016 01:43:57
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:44:42

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^Then it needs to be activated within one day or something. You must make sure that there are no second strike capabilities.

Edited 10/15/2016 01:45:16
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:47:25

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^No, you need to do that. I'm not saying that preparation of a mass genocide needs to be complete within one day. However the time from an effective attack begins (people start dying) to people are literally dead should be within one day.

A race war/ethnic war has to be a mass sudden attack and the targeted race/ethnicity should have all its second strike capabilities taken out immediately. Otherwise the result is mutual destruction.

Edited 10/15/2016 01:48:39
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:49:21

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^Yep. It does not need to be traced at all. Some nation can simply declare that whenever any attempt to destroy us exists we will destroy humanity. Israel for example is likely to do that since it is already doing something similar concerning nukes.

Edited 10/15/2016 01:50:25
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:51:13

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^There does not need to be a reason. It can be just like that: We will exist no matter what. If you want to destroy us we will destroy the entire humanity including bystanders immediately. Israel is already doing that and there are no consequences.

Edited 10/15/2016 01:52:21
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:52:36

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^Yep. That's the Samson Option. If nuked (or even heavily attacked?) Israel will nuke everywhere including Europe.

Mutual Samson option between Anglo-Germans and Slavs, between Anglo-Germans and Jews or between Caucasians and East Asians will ironically keep the world (especially Africans) safe from such attacks or any other form of mass race/ethnicity/ancestry-based foul play.

Edited 10/15/2016 01:56:55
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 01:58:49

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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- downvoted post by Spenglerian Traditionalist
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 02:21:28

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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Israel can completely make all your plans (and the plan of extremists from several ethnic groups) obsolete.
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 02:46:23

wct
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Interesting, I've not heard of the term 'Samson Option', but Paugers if you're trying to make sense of what Tabby's talking about, it's probably better to start with the much more well-known game theory strategy called Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD), which is what the Cold War peace was/is based upon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

Also check out the movies "Dr. Strangelove" (for a satirical look) and "WarGames" (<spoiler>especially the finale/climax scene, where the computer finally realizes: "The only way to win is not to play."</spoiler>).

Edited 10/15/2016 02:56:27
Prevent genocide by ethnic bioweapons?: 10/15/2016 02:49:13

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^Exactly. What's most likely to happen is that white Gentiles, Jews and East Asians have the ability to destroy the world and all three groups just let their increasingly sophisticated doomsday weapons rot. Then South Asians and maybe Iranians/Turks/Africans will follow up. As long as people care about their own existence there will be no problems.

We only need to care about extremely destructive individuals and extreme religious groups.

Edited 10/15/2016 02:51:19
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