However I believe the modern secular West perform and will continue to perform better than most societies and other societies will be more like the secular West in the long run.
The West is already falling to the Islamic, non-secular East. It's simply a stronger more united society due to the individualistic tendencies of the West which tend to mean we're only thinking for ourselves, not the fate of our people like Muslims do. Collectivism is stronger than individualism.
I was also concerned with whether secular West can fall to Islamism. After some discussions my conclusion is that the West can be safe if it follows correct strategies, the most important of which is to secularize the Muslim world. Promoting science, spreading feminism, promoting female education or just promoting female employment can completely destroy traditional societies and Islam will have to cease to be a viable political force. There is a reason why non-racial counterjihadists such as Pamela Geller promotes feminism in the Muslim world. The traditional Muslim society just like any other traditional societies needs sacrificial and subjugated women to be viable. Freeing women makes it impossible to function and reduces its population as well.
I do recognize that collectivist societies are inherently stronger than individualist ones if they have the same level of development. However we can use modern technology to make collectivist societies impossible to preserve by promoting individualism everywhere so that we can keep enjoying our individualist lives.
Any form of indoctrination hampers rational thinking of the indoctrinated. When a society requires enough creativity the benefits of having an enthusiastic society may not outweigh the loss of creativity and benefits from individual autonomy
Pls expand on this, not quite sure what you mean. However, I think rationality puts down creativity as we have seen in the last few decades. As people in the West continue to think increasingly along the lines of what makes sense rather how they feel, we see such atrocities as modern art, the LGBTQ+ community, etc.
Interesting! Well I'm personally against irrationalism. We have a lot of scientific development which certainly does not benefit from irrationalism.
By the way, speaking of the LGBTQ+ community, its very existence actually reduces the amount of LGBTQ+ people in the long run. In the past the LGBTQ+ are usually forced to be heterosexual/bisexual in actions and hence they used to breed. Absolute sexual freedom will actually ironically make strict lesbian/gay/transexualism an evolutionary disadvantage. Ironically the world may become less LGBT than ever in the future simply because they are allowed to do whatever they want and do not have kids as a result.
Your model certainly worked well in the past, however I doubt it will be useful in the future.
If it worked well in the past, it will work well in the future. Humanity is on a constant spin cycle so to say and just like democracy came to dominate, soon authoritarianism will again (it already is, hence the alt-right's rise) and soon after that democracy will return.
What I meant is that the current level of science and technology may no longer sustain a local, authoritarian or collectivist society any more. Cars, trains and airplanes allow children to escape from their traditional families and wives to escape from their husbands. The internet allows people from poorer, authoritarian societies to see secular Westerners having fun. Social media and forums (including WL) allow people from all parts of the world to interact with each other in a friendly way and make strong hatred increasingly less likely. They also make censorship hard. (Even Saudi Arabia does not ban English or Warlight so secular Western habits naturally influence them).
Furthermore even if it is possible to keep a society collectivist and authoritarian it may still underperform in the long run because individuals are so dumbed down by the collectivist society that they can't function normally as individuals which lead to a reduction of scientific performance.
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