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Clan League update: 11/6/2016 21:23:34

Master of the Dead 
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Results of the Panel Vote - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12132630

As you know, we asked every registered CL8 leader to vote on whether they think the current panel should continue running the clan league or there were better candidates. We've counted every vote cast on the public chat(as stated at the beginning to all leaders). By our count, we have 24 yes, 3 no, 7 abstentions. There has been a lot of discussion in the team chat and everyone has expressed their opinion. I'll leave this game around for another day or two in case anyone wants to tally votes.

Some folks felt that we're giving ultimatums and threatening to quit. While that is one way to look at the situation, we view this as a voluntary effort. We're making decisions to the best of our ability and considering multiple viewpoints before arriving at decisions. If the community feels otherwise, it can bring it up at any point in the future and we can revisit the model of the league and how decisions are made.



Criteria for Claiming a Spot

We have previously stated that clans are defined as a group of players, but there was concern that this was not well defined. The following lays out the scenarios in which a clan's spot could change hands:
  • If a clan X retains active players who accounted for one third of their slots (6/18) and one third of their scored points then it is guaranteed to retain its spot.

  • If clan X splits and X does not retain both one third of their slots and of their points, another clan Y can claim the spot if they have active players accounting for one third of that clan's slots and points. If X didn't meet the requirements, while two different clans Y and Z do and both claim the spot then the spot is awarded to neither clan and both must start from the bottom.


Template Selection

There were several issues around template selection in CL8.
  • Clans voted tactically to eliminate good templates on which other clans were perceived to have an advantage.
  • Proposal of templates for vote was open to the community as a whole. This lead to a huge pool of templates, magnifying the issue of tactical voting.
  • There was confusion on how to manage similar templates such as MME SR vs ME WR.
  • There was no contingency for how to deal with a tie in the template voting.

New Process

In order minimize the effects of these concerns, we have decided to employ the following process:
  • Proposal of templates will still be open to the community at large.
  • A small panel of top players will cut this pool of templates down to a manageable number and eliminate unsuitable templates.
  • The leaders of clans in Divisions A and B will then vote on the templates to arrive at 6 1v1 templates, 3 2v2s, and 2 3v3s.
  • We are currently planning on using the Single Transferable Vote (STV) method to do the voting. This video does a good job of explaining how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLH_w5kHJpA

    Using STV should help to mitigate the effects of tactical voting and also provides a means of avoiding ties.



Clan movement/ representation
We've decided to enforce a few rules with regards to clan movement as well.
  • Every player must be in the clan they represent on the start date of CL9.
  • Say, a player represents clan X in a season(9), and decides to leave clan X to play for another clan Y next season(10). This player cannot play for clan X again for another 2 seasons. This rule is meant to stop free movement of players and restrict the advantages gained via allied clans(For ex - Miyagi for Masters/Apex, Lynx/101st, Masters/Apprentice, GG/GGr etc).
  • This rule also includes CL8 rosters. That is, if I've represented Masters in CL8 and decide to leave and play for another clan in CL9, I cannot play for Masters in CL10.


Edited 11/6/2016 23:56:05
Clan League update: 11/6/2016 21:37:14


Nex
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Y'all have one of the hardest positions in all of Warlight politics: maintaining a competitive, accurate and fair pecking order among the competitive clans. No matter what you do some are gonna complain, but to be honest, who among us mortals could do better? I applaud the vote's decisions.
Clan League update: 11/6/2016 21:50:39


TBest 
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For better of worse there is at least some clear cut rules laid out :)

I think part of the past conflicts (not only this CL but also preceding once) has been caused by some viewing the CL panels voluntary work as hosting tournaments and keeping a schoresheet. While in practice they are also interpreting and having to make new rules for all the 'drama'. Arguably they are politicians in a sense (this is illustrated by the fact that they even opened a vote on themselves.) In order to avoid conflict and stress on the voluntary work that the panel does, I would recommend they somehow distance themselves from making controversial calls. One way to do this, is having Clans vote when there is conflicts. This is not just that easy ofc, specially since some clans have a 'noobie' clans etc. Yet I am wonder how others and the CL folks feel about it? I don't think they want to be politicians at least.



Either way, lets also move on!
Proposal of templates will still be open to the community at large.

I propose African Elitism. Looks like a solid and obvious candidate in my eyes!
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21031

Edited 11/6/2016 21:52:18
Clan League update: 11/6/2016 22:22:37


Sephiroth
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tl;dr
Clan League update: 11/6/2016 23:42:00


Quicksilver
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Thanks for that update Master of the Dead.
Clan League update: 11/7/2016 03:53:17


Beren • apex 
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@TBest, we will have a thread for template nominations closer to the beginning of the next season, so no need to post suggestions for those yet. :)
Clan League update: 11/7/2016 08:29:16

Edge
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Does the clan movement include alt accounts as well? Otherwise i see a problem, that people just create alt accounts to play for other clans and still be available for their "main" clan in the next season.

To make an example. I play for Outlaws in CL 9 and play for Platatoe Knights in CL 10. Would i be able to play for Outlaws in CL 11 again?
Clan League update: 11/7/2016 09:55:52

rakleader
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Thank you for the update, and for all your hard work.

If a clan X retains active players who accounted for one third of their slots (6/18) and one third of their scored points then it is guaranteed to retain its spot.


Let's say Clan X got 90pts on CL8 and needs 30pts to retain its spot in CL9.
Player A, B and C played on a 3v3 tournament where they won 15pts but now only Player A is left in Clan X. Does Player A account for 15pts or for 15/3=5pts?
Clan League update: 11/7/2016 22:44:56

Jaymer
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I was wondering the same thing as Rak. And what happens if a clan retains less than 30% of players but more than 50% of points, or vice versa? Can a clan lose their CL spot to just a few players who performed really well and leave to form a new clan even if the original clan keeps over half their roster?

Also might need to clarify some points on what exactly "retain active players" means. I take it if a player goes AWOL, he doesn't count toward meeting the 30% of players requirement? Do none of the points he won count either? What if he was on a team? What if he disappears near the end of the season? What if he comes back after the season ends? What if a player switches clans during the season, but then comes back after the season ends and before the next season starts? What if a player moves their main account to another clan but moves an alt into the original clan? Does that count as retaining that player?

Hopefully there aren't too many other gray areas. This is why I think it would have been better to just say "a clan is a clan," no matter how many players change. Clearer, simpler, much less open for debate.

Edited 11/7/2016 22:49:06
Clan League update: 11/10/2016 07:25:36

Master of the Dead 
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Does the clan movement include alt accounts as well? Otherwise i see a problem, that people just create alt accounts to play for other clans and still be available for their "main" clan in the next season.

To make an example. I play for Outlaws in CL 9 and play for Platatoe Knights in CL 10. Would i be able to play for Outlaws in CL 11 again?
Yes it includes alts. You would not be able to play for Outlaws in CL11 in this case.

Let's say Clan X got 90pts on CL8 and needs 30pts to retain its spot in CL9.
Player A, B and C played on a 3v3 tournament where they won 15pts but now only Player A is left in Clan X. Does Player A account for 15pts or for 15/3=5pts?
A would account for 5 points. Thanks for bringing it up and allowing us to clarify.

And what happens if a clan retains less than 30% of players but more than 50% of points, or vice versa? Can a clan lose their CL spot to just a few players who performed really well and leave to form a new clan even if the original clan keeps over half their roster?
We've said 1/3rd, and yeah if a clan cannot guarantee 1/3rd of its slots + 1/3rd of its points, it is not considered as the same entity that took part in the CL

Also might need to clarify some points on what exactly "retain active players" means. I take it if a player goes AWOL, he doesn't count toward meeting the 30% of players requirement? Do none of the points he won count either?
The player wouldn't count toward the requirement. None of the player's points count either.

What if he was on a team?
The points would be pro-rated as per the answer to rakleader's question.

What if he disappears near the end of the season? What if he comes back after the season ends? What if a player switches clans during the season, but then comes back after the season ends and before the next season starts?
We will consider the period between the end of the season to the start date of the next season. If the player is active and within the clan, they're considered.

What if a player moves their main account to another clan but moves an alt into the original clan? Does that count as retaining that player?
Same answer as the one to Edge's question. A player cannot move an alt into a clan and maintain dual membership for a season.
Clan League update: 11/10/2016 08:14:47

Edge
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Thanks for clarifying it. I really like that this rule change includes alt accounts, too.
Clan League update: 11/12/2016 07:24:29


KKND
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About panel
Is it possible to make system like in sports federations: some respected people from federation (1-3) and representative from each clan from divA ?

In my opinion this will make panel decisions more transparent and respectful (because clan leaders was also there)

p.s. Also about junior clans
What if hypothetically I make 7 junior Blitz clans and they got all spots in divB, what would happen?

Edited 11/12/2016 07:26:45
Clan League update: 11/13/2016 02:15:40

Jaymer
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Yeah, thanks for the clarifications.

What if a player moves their main account to another clan but moves an alt into the original clan? Does that count as retaining that player?

Same answer as the one to Edge's question. A player cannot move an alt into a clan and maintain dual membership for a season.


Even if they don't participate in CL with the new clan?
Clan League update: 11/14/2016 04:51:56

Master of the Dead 
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What if hypothetically I make 7 junior Blitz clans and they got all spots in divB, what would happen?
We currently don't have a way to stop this. Maybe we'll think of something before the next season begins. However, I do think such an extreme case is unlikely to occur.

Even if they don't participate in CL with the new clan?
If this player continues to represent the old clan, then it counts as retaining that player.
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