More, if you could be perfectly correct, you should put one member of each clan league div A next division in the panel...

The members of the panel are not representing the interests of their clan. They are simply representing the community as a whole and getting to come up with the best shortlist of templates possible. Once you have a representative from each clan, that ceases to be the case. We specifically do not want the decisions at this stage to be made with a specific clan's strengths in mind. If we get the impression that any panel members are trying to game the system for the benefit of their clan that will be removed immediately.

Ultimately, the more people involved in a process, the more complicated it gets, and the less likely it will actually get done in a timely fashion.

I understand that some people may not like it, but MotD and I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out the best way to determine templates for CL9. You are free to express concerns, but it is highly likely that we have already spent time discussing any suggestions you might have and determined this system is most likely to result in good templates for us all to play, while also enabling the clans to have some input as well.

I noticed that Phobia was posted with different settings than those of example game.

I corrected it with an other example.

Edited 12/2/2016 14:37:23

I told you that, but I'm ok. It could be clearer, it could have a panel of independant players, but I know it's not professional and it's impossible for now.

Nevertheless, I think if MoD explanations - even if I agree with that in major points - is not exact since if you only keep 12 1v1, 6 2v2 and 4 3v3, you don't deleate the trash templates, but also get out playable ones.

Idem, I hope the community will have choice between Random/Cycle, SR/WR, and luck.

So we know which template will be used in stage 1 and which in stage 2, when we commit our line-up. That is great.

@Krunx, I don't think that is 100% correct. My understanding from MotD was the templates are chosen, the lineups are submitted, then all clans in Division C with a submitted lineup vote on which templates are stage 1 and stage 2. Also, I think all Division C clans should be prepared for the biggest strategic vote in history, with a ton of butt hurt clans where it is so likely everyone is voting for personally good templates stage 1, and the meh templates stage 2.

Another item, Let's Fight brought up a good point in the Clan League sign up thread about the restrictions of game creation with this clot. I think a very relevant metric that should be taken into consideration with all these templates considered is: What is the highest level requirement of a specific template? That is critical to knowing what players can and can't play in a specific slot. And all templates on the short list, I would hope, would have a minimum level required to play attached to them.

This isn't likely to be a problem for the vast majority of players, but some players are below level 50 and there are some maps like China that require a higher level. In those cases, I'm not saying disqualify the template, I just don't want a clan to submit a player with insufficient level required for a template and that cause problems.

@Krunx, I don't think that is 100% correct. My understanding from MotD was the templates are chosen, the lineups are submitted

Krunx is correct. The Division C clans will be voting on their preferences for templates with respect to Round 1 and Round 2 at the same time as the Division A & B clans will be voting on the templates. After that voting concludes, we will know which templates have been chosen overall, and in particular which templates will be used in Rounds 1 and 2. Once that has happened we will draw the groups for Round 1, which will hopefully happen on a livestream. After this, we will have the call for lineups.

3v3 Great Lakes, same template than last season

If you want Great Lakes, then submit the template when we ask them. Please do not insert templates late into the discussion and bash people if it is missing. We have given numerous reminders for template submissions.

Why there is no info in the second post on SR/WR, luck, and Cycle/Random move order ? I think it's important.

I've told you we'll do the ground work for that once we have a trimmed list. We don't want to go through that process for templates which will be discarded in the end. Before you vote, you will have all the information you need.

It could be clearer, it could have a panel of independant players, but I know it's not professional and it's impossible for now.

Nevertheless, I think if MoD explanations - even if I agree with that in major points - is not exact since if you only keep 12 1v1, 6 2v2 and 4 3v3, you don't deleate the trash templates, but also get out playable ones.

While it's true that this panel will get rid of some decent templates too, that is unavoidable. The bigger concern from last season was the number of options. If clans have to vote on 29 1v1 templates, it's much easier to hurt a template you don't like by marking it as the 29th best template.

Idem, I hope the community will have choice between Random/Cycle, SR/WR, and luck.

Unless the same template has been submitted multiple times with different options, this will not be a problem. If a template has been submitted twice with random and cyclic move order, the panel will try to balance the available options and try to have such settings represented across the pool. After that, the ultimate choice still rests with the clans. They can choose to vote for whatever they like.

you can make 2 independent template panel (it could be small group of 3 or 4 people)
Why is that? Because one group can fail with proper template evaluation like at last WGL that happened

This suggestion is quite similar to what we're doing right now. Instead of your example, just think of this panel as three individual panels, each making their decision, coming to an agreement and then delivering a set of templates. So essentially, we're debating the number of people required to ensure a good pool of templates. We think 3 is a good number as it helps gets thing done quickly, and at the same time ensures we have diverse opinions.

Edited 12/2/2016 18:56:48

OK, that is weird that Division C votes on Stage 1 and 2 when the templates aren't known. Seems confusing. Seems easier to do it after the templates are voted on. It can even be done in conjunction with lineup submission as the lineups arent public until after they are all submitted. Saves time and is simpler for clans to vote on.

Simultaneously, all clans in the Qualifier(QF) pool will also rank these templates in the order in which they want to see these templates feature in Stage 1 and 2 (1 being want to see it in Stage 1, 12 being want to see it Stage 2).

Generally I am quite fine with this procedure. Personally I would like to have the best templates of our clan in stage 2 (as there the average skill level will be higher). But how do I vote, to make sure, the templates we want to see in stage 2 are chosen for stage 2?

I have to rank them as low as possible. Thats why I would switch it (1=> stage 2, 12=> stage 1), as it is more intuitive.

Edited 12/3/2016 12:24:46

I am a little confused about the rule regarding playing for different clans at different seasons.

If I play for Darklords CL9 and then Across CL10 I can play for Across (or any other clan not Darklords) CL11 and then Finally CL12 I can play for Darklords again correct? Or could I have played for Darklords CL11?

If I'm understanding it correctly it seems a little excessive to ban someone from playing for the same clan for two seasons seeing as each CL take a year.

Edited 12/6/2016 01:39:32

@Rikku
Yes, you can play for another clan after 2 seasons end. In your example from Season 12
It is done for restrict the advantages gained via allied clans
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/218347-clan-league-update

Thanks! I suppose it is a nessesary measure.

Can someone explain this Division C voting process to me if its done before the templates are even picked?

I think the process as it stands right now is:

-panel of players will pick best templates. 12 for 1v1, 6 for 2v2 and 4 for 3v3 if i'm correct.
-Clans from divisions A and B will be voting on which 6 1v1, 3 2v2 and 2 3v3 templates will actually be played on during the clan league
- After those templates are decided all the Stage 1 clans can vote on those templates to decide which will be played during stage 1 and which templates will be played during stage 2. In other words clans that will be 1st or 2nd in their groups will be able to practice early on, on those templates.

This is how much i know from the things i've followed although last part i don't know if it's confirmed but it was spoken about instead of deciding the templates at random which was the initial plan from the CL panel.

Not exactly.

The template panel will choose 12 1vs1 templates, 6 2vs2 templates and 4 3vs3 templates.

Then the Division A and B Clans vote on these template and rank them from 1 to 12 points (1 most preferred, 12 least preffered).

The top 6 1vs1 template, top 3 2vs2 templates and the top 2 3vs3 templates will be choosen to play in CL 9.

At the same time as Division A and B Clans are voting, the Division C clans are also voting on these 12 1vs1, 6 2vs2 and 4 3vs3 templates. They will also rank them from 1 to 12 points (1 point -> want them in stage 1, 12 points -> want them in stage 2).

Basically we all vote on the same time. Divison A and B Clans to decide the templates. Divison C Clans to rank all of the possible templates after their preference to play them in stage 1 or 2. So the panel will look at that list of Division C voting to see where the chosen templates from Division A and B votings were ranked in that list. This way they see which templates will be played in stage 1 and stage 2.

Edited 12/9/2016 10:37:12

"Any player present in a clan's roster must also be a member of that clan on the date of the submission deadline. Alts are not permitted in the roster/line-up."

What defines as an alt again? (from what I previously understood it was the account that played CL but then from that reasoning once you played CL from one account you would be locked to play from that account forever)

Can someone explain this Division C voting process to me if its done before the templates are even picked?

Edge's explanation is correct.

What defines as an alt again? (from what I previously understood it was the account that played CL but then from that reasoning once you played CL from one account you would be locked to play from that account forever)

Let's try to keep this simple. It'll be much appreciated if people play with one account in the CL. The spirit of the rule is to prevent people from playing for 2-3 clans as and when they choose, and alternate between these clans. If someone switches to a new clan, that is not a problem. It would also be much appreciated if people do not try to find loopholes(I'm sure someone will find one and then we'll fix it retrospectively).

Ok, so after all the votes are cast, the six 1v1, three 2v2 and two 3v3 templates are finalized and for Division C, only the votes cast of those selected templates are counted, lowest templates stage 1, highest stage 2. Makes sense to me.

Good to know the time line. Looking forward to the pruned template list!