Sees TLW seeded. dies laughing
I may be the best player we field.

I am not sure if it is an advanatge to be seeded right now. I think some unseeded clans are way stronger than some seeded ones. There will be a high random factor how strong your group will be. If we are really unlucky in stage 1, one group will be like stage 2 and another group will be easy as fuck. But every system has to balance, we will see...

There will be a high random factor how strong your group will be.

Jup, some clans could get completely fucked.

In some way it is unfortunate but on the other hand it'll be more fun for spectators. I expect the draw stream will be hilarious.

Would it be possible to change the second point of contact of LuFredd? Or maybe add a third point of contact? Max will manage the CL9 for our clan, so could you remove "Arigal" and add Max instead? Would be nice. Here is his link : https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=672579932

I can't wait to see theses "unseeded" clans like 7th Heaven, Apprentices, 101st, ACME, Divided we fall, etc. end up lol. Like Krunx said, some of theses unseeded clans are by far better than some seeded clans.

Looking at the seeds as of right, they aren't the worst. There are 4 clans of similar strength in seeds 1-4, same with 5-8. So while they don't accurately reflect the best 8 clans, the groups are all reasonably balenced going into the randomization. Hopefully, we avoid a group of death and the best 8 clans will promote to stage 2.

We absolutely want to avoid a situation where many of the best clans end up in the same group. If anyone has a good idea of how to do avoid that without involving some subjective ranking of clans we'd love to hear them.

You could let the seeded clans take turns picking who else is in their group (probably in an ABCDDCBA pattern).

This has the usual disadvantages of picking teams, though, in that it sucks for whoever is picked last (or first, in this case). Also, there's nothing to stop a seeded clan with a vendetta (or a troll) from intentionally screwing over another clan. And it's still a subjective ranking of clans; you're just throwing it on the players rather than the committee. :P

I think seeding the top 8 then implementing 4 more seeds from the lower part of stage 2 is sufficient enough to allow differentiation of the clans throughout the season. If you somehow miss moving onto the stage 2, a good clan should still get the '9th seed'. If you miss both, then maybe the fault is the clan's, not the system.

We could put the clans in different lottery pots:

1st pot (4 clans):
1st-4th seed
2nd pot (4 clans):
5th-8th seed

3rd pot (4 clans):
Expert guess: Lets vote the clan leaders of group C on the unseeded clans and rank them. May be not precise on ranking but at least it should be fair for everyone.

...

x pot (rest):
all the rest

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I don't like the idea to vote the unseeded Clans and sort them by this. It should be ranked by privious Seasons/Performances if possible.

You wouldnt vote by their strength. Much more you vote by impression of few matches with few members or even by by sympathies. E.g. I play against Blowfly I May get an other impression of 101st strength as if I play against Edge.

Some countable measure would be good. Average Ladder stats ...

Edited 12/16/2016 18:30:47

Or Just random. Don't make it too complicated.

Save you the work with that.

I would prefer to avoid ranking clans. It becomes hard because each clan does not know all the clans they are ranking and it becomes a crap shoot. And as much as I want to believe everyone will be honest when ranking clans, if how voting for CL templates has shown, it gets really strategic and not at all factual really fast. There is a built in incentive to lie and punish good clans when voting then to actually be truthful. That's why voting shouldn't be done.

You wouldnt vote by their strength. Much more you vote by impression of few matches with few members or even by by sympathies. E.g. I play against Blowfly I May get an other impression of 101st strength as if I play against Edge.

:D

101st i'm waiting on your call.

oh oups, messed sth up. Sry

No problem. I didn't took it for bad.

Edited 12/16/2016 21:11:52

oh oups, messed sth up. Sry

First off- great idea GE.

Also, additional seeding after 1-8 this season would be subjective no matter which way you cut it. So I say randomize it from there and if there's a group of death, so be it. Not even the big sports competitions are immune to that, and if we end up having one in S1, well it's gonna be interesting to watch / play.

yes and in the end you need to beat all except one to get in B anyway. :)

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I have not been on the forums much, as warlight is blocked at work and I mostly play via mobile now.


Any chance you can send out mail with the final rules? I want to read through and make sure I understand them all, without reading pages of posts.

Thanks!

We've been compiling a document(not final yet) of all rules which can be found @ - https://goo.gl/xT2dzg

After the template panel gives us a list of templates, we'll set up a chat game and go over everything a clan leader needs to keep in mind regarding CL9.

Edited 12/17/2016 05:11:25

I don't like the idea to vote the unseeded Clans and sort them by this. It should be ranked by privious Seasons/Performances if possible.

You wouldnt vote by their strength. Much more you vote by impression of few matches with few members or even by by sympathies. E.g. I play against Blowfly I May get an other impression of 101st strength as if I play against Edge.

Some countable measure would be good. Average Ladder stats ...

Ofc it wouldnt be perfect to vote, but way better than just to randomize.
Average ladder stats is difficult, how do you weight them, who do you take in (you do not know the roaster yet).

I would prefer to avoid ranking clans. It becomes hard because each clan does not know all the clans they are ranking and it becomes a crap shoot. And as much as I want to believe everyone will be honest when ranking clans, if how voting for CL templates has shown, it gets really strategic and not at all factual really fast. There is a built in incentive to lie and punish good clans when voting then to actually be truthful. That's why voting shouldn't be done.

You may vote a clan down, but this can be very risky for yourself, as you may get paired with this clan and another strong one. Ranking at least lowers the risk of getting all skilled unseeded in one group.

yes and in the end you need to beat all except one to get in B anyway. :)

Yeah, but there are a lot of games and warlight has some random factor in it.

There is no perfect methode to group or rank clans. But current situation is weird. Seeding some good + some "not so good" clans and on the other hand there are unseeded clans, which are at least able to beat all of them. We will see how it works...