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The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 18:15:48


[WOLF] The Conservative
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I need to read as much as possible about French politics for a project I'm doing and I'm having a hard time actually finding something updated and informative. It seems for some odd reason most editions on French politics are from the 70s and the system has changed a lot since then.
Any suggestions?

Edited 12/1/2016 18:16:39
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 18:26:42


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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Wikipedia is your friend.
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 18:43:05


[FEL] The Prince of Felidia
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MArine Le Pen est une conne
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 18:54:03


The Lord
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^woman-hater
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 19:42:52


[FEL] The Prince of Felidia
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... who says that i am in fact a man

And how does calling a nazi a "conne" mean I hate women

Edited 12/2/2016 07:20:00
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 19:49:42

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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Marine Le Pen might become the next President.
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 20:04:31


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The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 21:50:50


Жұқтыру
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now we have problem of "English-centrism".
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 21:56:06


OxTheAutist 
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Well, this election is *trés nul*.

You have a far-right Islamophobic Europhile man running against a far-right Islamophobic Euroskeptic woman.

French Fifth Republic:

Gaulism (rightist model for Frenchmen -> Mitterand (socialist model for Frenchmen) -> Chirac (the man who saved France from Le Pen the first time) -> Sarkozy (putain!) -> Hollande (socialist who you want to *not* model yourself after) -> (Hopefully) Fillon (rightist who you *don't* want to model yourself after)

I recommend researching the time when the French Communist party had the most seats!
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 22:49:31


Zephyrum 
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François Hollande is the most french thing ever.

I mean, he had his bodyguards leave baguettes on his chick's door. Also, his goddamn name just screams "french".
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/1/2016 23:02:38


Жұқтыру
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Hollande is a very un-French name..............................

Edited 12/1/2016 23:03:08
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 01:06:58


[WOLF] The Conservative
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I personally prefer Fillon this cycle. Hollande seems to be the Hoover of France. Would've been a better President if he had lead in a different times.
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 01:36:50


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Hollande ain't even running, mate.
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 02:30:03


[WOLF] The Conservative
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What in that sentence made u think I said he was running? stop assuming u know everything, Kynte, it gets pretty damn annoying. Ur not the only one with a subscription to, oh I don't know, any fucking News Network in existence.

Edited 12/2/2016 02:30:26
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 03:38:22


Жұқтыру
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stop assuming u know everything


yeah !
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 03:47:14


Eklipse {TJC}
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yeah !
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 10:57:51


TeamGuns 
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French Politics:

We have 2 major traditional parties and one younger but strong Far-right party.

- Les Republicains (ex:UMP) are rightwing morally and economically. Although they weren't always as much liberal-economically, they have constantly shifted to the right in that side. The promaries saw the most rightwing econ and morally beating more moderate Republicans: François Fillon. Elected with a huge advantage, this politician, a follower of Thatcher, unified his party and got back many FN voters. His extreme views of society may however make it hard for him to get voters beyond the Catholic/Business coalition he built, and many socialists find him as bad as the far right.

- Le party Socialiste is a left leanning party, morally and economically. The Hollandist faction is however very centrist when it comes to economy, and is very much social-liberal. Bad results in the economy, a lot to blame on past gvts but also a poor social state of the country that is very blamable on Hollande made the party implode. They still have control of the country but very little public support; while economic progress is finally appearing Hollande decided not to be a candidate to unify the party but also the progressive parties as a hole. However a clear division of the socialists with a Montebourg (socialist) and Valls (social-liberal, actual prime-minister), added to lots of left third parties candidates may make it impossible for the socialists to pass the first turn.

- Le Front National is morally a far-right party but economically it is more leftist than the Valls-Hollande wing of the socialist party. Heirs of a much more extremist FN of Jean Marie Le Pen, the party now under control of his daughter Marine Le Pen is still struggling to get their image rebranded. They have grown a lot in the past years, Jean-Marie reached the 2nd turn in 2002 (only to lose 80-20), but his daughter will probably get better scores. The party has pretty much three wings, a moderate extremist one of Florian Philipot, a very influencial vp of the party, whom interesting fact for a far-right is gay; a far-far-right wing of ex-JM core supporters which is now weakened but is still strong, and a far-right wing with Marion Maréchal Le Pen (niece of Marine and grand daughter of JM lol). The hole thing is controlled by Marine Le Pen, divided internally, they all get united under the banner of Les Republicans and Socialists wrecked the country idea, France is doomed if you don't elect us and Russia is cool banner. They lost a lot of core electors to Fillon, but if the party play his cards right (or far-right lololol), they could make it up with communist and socialist voters scared of Fillon's ultra liberalism.


Then we have three relevant third (or fourth?) party candidates:

- France Insoumise: Melanchon, communist. Economically very to the left but and morally leftist but with some talk close to the FN (regarding the EU, Russia,...). Some call him a dinosaure, he's always been there and maybe always will. He got a lot of socialist voters that are opposed to Hollande's policies and is actually granted third place in polls after Fillon and Le Pen. His extremist views and a unified post-primary socialist party could hit him in the long run.

- En Marche! Emmanuel Macron center? Ex-minister of economy, Emmanuel Macron is currently fourth, but has been getting support lately. He has some very interesting positions with a leftist or rightwing policies in some issues (ex: Pro-Marijuana, pro-reform in the welfare state but not against it like Fillon, anti-bureaucracy,...). He wants to build a major Centre-Left/Centre-Right coalition to get in the 2nd turn where he believes he can with with enough socialist report of votes against a Le Pen or Fillon opponent. However he is also responsible for the liberal-econ laws that created a malaise in the socialist party and some call him an opportunist for leaving the ship when it was sinking.

- Europe-Écologie-Les-Verts. Green Party progressive econ/morally, they really don't have a big shot at anything but draining voters from other candidates with possibly a 5% vote if they go well probably less. I don't really know their candidate, but he is an outsider of the party that beated the "traditional" green establishment, even if that doesn't mean much lol. The party was allied to the socialists, but they left the gvt when the first liberal-econ laws got passed.


Regarding those third parties, socialist responsibles have constantly called them to run in the socialist primaries so the left can present a unified candidacy against the Right and the Far-right. They argue that an imploded left will get pulverized in the elections (and they're probably right).


There's other candidates, but their average polling didn't qualify them for a WL Off-topics political post.

Edited 12/3/2016 00:39:49
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 13:35:31


Major General Smedley Butler
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stop assuming u know everything, Kynte, it gets pretty damn annoying.

yeah !
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 20:29:54


Genghis 
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Basically you can divide their society into 3 Estates : Baguette, Wine and Eurofags. Baguettes just want to not work ever and be hippies. Wines just want to be rich and fancy whilst still not contributing. Eurofags are EU cucks, a cancer of world politics.

Free "A" my friend
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 20:53:55


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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O.o this must be a dream
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 20:57:40


[WOLF] The Conservative
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TeamGuns that was actually pretty damn informative. Thanks. But I still need some books on it. I can't find anything on google which is really weird.
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 21:02:41


Major General Smedley Butler
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I have a few good French military books.

Rearview mirror: A Tanker's best friend

Ten easy ways to dye a flag white

How to let your allies down: For Dummies
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 21:04:59


[WOLF] The Conservative
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I have read them many times XD. Every true Frenchmen has at point one point lol.

Edited 12/2/2016 21:05:35
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 21:06:07

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^^Come on. Let's not mock the French military.

It's just like associating Germany with NSDAP when nothing related to NSDAP is on topic. It has been 70+ years since the end of Third Reich, Germany-bashing can only lead to a more murderous Fourth Reich which none of us wants to see.

Edited 12/2/2016 21:08:20
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 21:08:00


Жұқтыру
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yeah, it's kind of a moot point since it dominated Europe for 20-so years.

Edited 12/2/2016 21:08:06
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 21:09:27

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^It's sometimes a good idea to leave a dead issue dead. If you really want to get started with reparations Germans deserve a lot from many countries due to Stalin detaching a lot of territories from Germany and expelling almost all Germans. Germans are already surprisingly patient now. Do you want them to start a war for Stettin/Szczecin?

Germany was completely justified in annexing Austria. However it was the invader when it came to Poland.

Edited 12/2/2016 21:12:23
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 21:11:20


Жұқтыру
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what I say: yeah, it's kind of a moot point since it dominated Europe for 20-so years.

what Tabby read: It's kind of a moot point since it dominated Europe for 20-so years; I'm still waiting on reparations for my great homeland of Russia.
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 21:13:19

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^Please do not try to ignite old conflicts. It's almost never a good thing. Leave history behind and get over it. Almost every tribe used to be a bully and almost every tribe used to be subjugated. Almost every country has some land that it can reasonable claim. Just....calm down or people will be killing each other for places such as Dobruja and Alsace forever.

Edited 12/2/2016 21:15:39
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/2/2016 21:21:37


Жұқтыру
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what Tabby read: hey just fuck off all right you don't know the struggles Russia has had and the injustices done to it
The Government and Politics of France?: 12/3/2016 00:54:30


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Books on modern politics is pretty much hard, like any political book, they're a lot of the time written by the politicians themselves, so not very neutral or quality information. Still you could try going for those, all the candidates have one book where they say everyone is wrong and the country is doomed, and explain why only they can solve the problem.


Also depends on if you speak french or not, because if you do we have plenty of good quality papers that are definetly good to understand the french politic system:
- Liberation: left leanning
- Le Figaro: right leanning
- Le Monde: centre-left leanning (definetly the best quality one)

All these papers have some stances, but they are still very objective and produce high quality content. I follow all three of them and it keeps me well informed. And frankly, I'd say they're ammoung the best papers in the world.


There's also a France 2 (TV) news at 8pm every day and they talk a lot about France's politics with also a very good content. I like the fact that they talk to all major candidates/politicians and make very though questions to them. Definetly worth watching.

Edited 12/3/2016 01:01:33
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