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US foreign policy direction: 1/6/2017 02:18:45


Roose Bolton
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There have been a number of US foreign policy decisions that have confused me a little recently, so I want to see if any of you can explain the reasons behind them.

First off, why are the politicians trying to close Guantanamo Bay?

Secondly, why are the US betraying their allies now? For example they refused to hand over Gulen to Turkey and they also very recently betrayed Israel by abstaining from the UN vote demanding Israel to end settlements.

This isn't the first time US foreign policy has confused me. For example, why did they bring democracy to Iraq when it is a Shia majority country that would later be dominated by Iran? Couldn't they have brought in a new NATO-friendly dictator or became more friendly with Saddam?
US foreign policy direction: 1/6/2017 02:25:58


Remove Kebab
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Our foreign policy should be for peace.

That's it, no foreign wars.

America first.
US foreign policy direction: 1/6/2017 02:29:54


Major General Smedley Butler
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First off, why are the politicians trying to close Guantanamo Bay?

Moral reasons

For example they refused to hand over Gulen to Turkey

Gulen is a CIA puppet

and they also very recently betrayed Israel by abstaining from the UN vote demanding Israel to end settlements.

Moral reasons

Our foreign policy should be for peace.

oh no!!! the russians will take over everything!!!

Edited 1/6/2017 02:30:51
US foreign policy direction: 1/6/2017 02:32:21

EZchaird
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Reply to the first:
Guantanamo Bay is pretty unnecessary. "Terrorists" can't really do anything anyways in a normal max security prison, or other decent prisons, and the real, main use of Guantanamo is just so they can get away with torture because it's not in the US proper. Stuff like that.
US foreign policy direction: 1/6/2017 03:07:28


#The Prussian Job-Oh yeah, baby...
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US-Americans have no morals. They´re descendants of criminals and should be treated as such.

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12635522

Edited 1/6/2017 03:07:37
US foreign policy direction: 1/6/2017 23:09:27


BUFFALO
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dats bait
US foreign policy direction: 1/6/2017 23:33:27


Wally Balls 
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US foreign policy direction: 1/7/2017 08:48:37


[FEL] The Prince of Felidia
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stfu
US foreign policy direction: 1/8/2017 14:40:42


TeamGuns 
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First off, why are the politicians trying to close Guantanamo Bay?


Moral reasons. Guantanamo bay is obscene when it comes to basic human decency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#Criticism_and_condemnation
Fairly good video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEbFtMgGhPY&t=20s


Secondly, why are the US betraying their allies now? For example they refused to hand over Gulen to Turkey and they also very recently betrayed Israel by abstaining from the UN vote demanding Israel to end settlements.


Several reasons.

About Gulen, it is obvious he had nothing to do with the failed coup in Turkey, which was made by secular anti-religion military members; Gulen is a islam conservative more radical than Erdogan, makes no sense he'd defend a secular coup lol. Gulen also asked for asylum in the US, perspectives of a free trial in Turkey isn't nearly a possibility, handing him over wouldn't go a lot along with the liberty stances of America. Plus Erdogan has made a authoritarian shift, accepting his demands would just be a "reward" for this move.

About Israel, the country has accelerated it's anti-palestinian policies lately, and pissed off America several times lately. Plus the total backing of Israel by the US under any circumstance was becoming a tougher to defend position by each day. The abstention isn't a total change of policy, but much of a way of sending a message to Israel; it's not like a lot will change because of this UN vote.

Lastly, Obama. He is leaving and wants to make his last changes, both in foreign and national policies, because he knows Trump will take rather radical changes in diplomacy when he comes to power. These last taking of positions are also for his legacy, because it's not like he was an outstanding defensor of human rights through his 8 years of presidency despite what he promissed. Little effective change is to be expected in long term foreign policy.



For your other confusions:

Why did they bring democracy to Iraq when it is a Shia majority country that would later be dominated by Iran? Couldn't they have brought in a new NATO-friendly dictator or became more friendly with Saddam?


It was a moral argument to defend the iraqi expedition Bush made. They couldn't make the American people or Nato allies accept a war to replace a dictator. Just like most US interventions made out of freedom... Becoming friendlier with Saddam was the option the US tried before when they invaded Irak in 92, didn't work so well lol.
US foreign policy direction: 1/9/2017 03:46:02


Major General Smedley Butler
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It did, it's just H.W. betrayed Saddam for Kuwaiti oil
US foreign policy direction: 1/9/2017 04:32:57


Жұқтыру
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USA needs to bomb Respooblika Belaroos and Hagara Ertra ! It will be very funny !
US foreign policy direction: 1/9/2017 05:30:56


The Lord
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^Troomp and Pootin will nooke the world with nooclear bombs!

LOL !!
US foreign policy direction: 1/9/2017 05:57:43


Castle Bravo
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The US is controlled by an oligarchy of "neocons" and "neolibs" - corporate interventionists and plutocrats who use empty 18th-century ideals like "democracy" and "equality" to gain public support for geopolitical wars against foreign money.
US foreign policy direction: 1/12/2017 13:41:19


GeneralPE
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First off, why are the politicians trying to close Guantanamo Bay?

Muh human rights for mass murderers

Secondly, why are the US betraying their allies now? For example they refused to hand over Gulen to Turkey and they also very recently betrayed Israel by abstaining from the UN vote demanding Israel to end settlements.

Obama wants to mess things up for Trump. Plus he hates Israel. Idc about Gulen.

This isn't the first time US foreign policy has confused me. For example, why did they bring democracy to Iraq when it is a Shia majority country that would later be dominated by Iran? Couldn't they have brought in a new NATO-friendly dictator or became more friendly with Saddam?

Muh human rights for irrelevant ethnic groups in some desert shithole + (((military-industrial))) complex
US foreign policy direction: 1/12/2017 21:32:28


Жұқтыру
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lol trump winning was the best day of your life, I really hope this wasn't true.
US foreign policy direction: 1/13/2017 00:10:58


Castle Bravo
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I remember when you were a failed troll instead of a failed comedian.
US foreign policy direction: 1/13/2017 00:54:36


Жұқтыру
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shitpost discarded
US foreign policy direction: 1/13/2017 01:07:49


Marigold Sunshine 
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Guantanamo Bay is only just now being closed even though Obama has been saying he's gonna do it from the beginning. they needed it until now. now that he's leaving, they're closing it down and slowly one by one releasing the terrorists into the wild. those terrorists are very pissed off on America right now, so there should be a lot of stuff going on, which will all be blamed on the current president, Trump. Obama has hated Trump from the start and all around you can see ways they are trying to make his job more complicated. instead of doing whats best for the people and trying to work together to improve America, they're trying to make his job as hard as they can
US foreign policy direction: 1/13/2017 01:14:56


Marigold Sunshine 
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USA needs to bomb Respooblika Belaroos and Hagara Ertra ! It will be very funny !

add Ukraina to that list please.
US foreign policy direction: 1/13/2017 01:53:20


(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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It does not matter whether Gitmo prison exists or not. America always has a place for extrajudicial imprisonment of suspected terrorists.
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