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Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/17/2017 09:58:24

Master Bjarke
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Hi all, and welcome to Season 9 of the Small Earth P/R League!
From this season I will be running the league after Huddyj have retired (shout out to Huddyj for doing a great job), but I hope that the transition will go smothly.

Start Cut-Off Date: The tournaments will be started the first weekend of February. .
Post in the thread or send me a mail if you wish to join the next season.

This season is made up of seven groups of up to 10 players (A through to G) and 1-2 expansion groups (H1 & H2), depending on the number of new players. Each is set at 5 games at once with a 3-day boot time.

Rule changes since last season:
1. Boots no longer count as negative points, except for use in tie breaker, however now players with 3 boots in a season will be kicked from the league.

Here are the tournament links so you can follow the league's progress: (placeholder awaiting season 8 to finsih)

Group A: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21962
Group B: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21963
Group C: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21964
Group D: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21966
Group E: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21967
Group F: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21968
Group G: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21969
Group H: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21971


New players are welcome to sign up on this thread for Season 9 until the expansion groups are full.

You can get all the tournament links and league history for last season by checking out the thread from Season 8:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/220289-small-earth-promotionrelegation-league-season-8?Offset=0

Edited 1/24/2017 09:08:42
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/17/2017 09:58:46

Master Bjarke
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Small Earth 1v1 League Concept and Rules

Concept

The Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League is a seasonal group of round-robin tournaments, always on the “Small Earth” map with standard coin settings. At the end of each season, the top players of each group are promoted to the next group above. Bottom players are relegated to the next group below. Middle players remain in the same group.

The league is meant to appeal to players who want to see, over the course of several seasons, where their natural level of competition might take them. For new, skilled participants, this means patience in getting to the levels where they will be challenged. Hopefully, that is part of the fun. The idea is to see how quickly you can progress, how long you can stay high, or how long it takes to stop a skid.

Rules

The league is run with a balance of predictability and flexibility. Final decisions are made by the league administrator with an attempt to consider input of league players.

The model will typically be to have the top three promote and the bottom three relegate but there are exceptions. Where there is a default – a player becoming inactive or asking to bow out of the league – there can be more promotions to fill in the vacancy. Where this happens in several groups there can be a lot of shuffling. The principle, though, is to usually have at least one player from each group relegated. Several retirements mean fewer relegations and more super-promotions to keep the groups filled.

Rule CHANGE!: There will no longer be a 0.5 point deduction for booting, as this make it a lot more time consuming to make league standings, although boots will be in tiebreakers (see below). Instead of getting kicked for having a negative score, the rule will now be that players are kicked if they have 3 or more boots in a season, or 2 boots in two consecutive seasons, unless there is a really good reason for the boots. Kicked players can only return as a new player in the bottom group.
Vacations are honoured, however, any player taking more than 3 vacations in a single season will be kicked from the league and can only return in future season as a new player in the bottom group.

Placements in a round-robin are determined by number of wins. In the event of a tie, placements are determined by head-to-head results among the tied. Occasionally, there are loops of ties that cannot be resolved by the head-to-head rule. If this is the case, ties will be broken by the following (in order of preference):


1 (NEW): No. of Boots. Boots is penalized in resolving ties not solved by the head to head rule. Booted players are move to the buttom of the tie, and head-to-head is applied again between players with the same amount of boots.
2: Overall win/loss ratio. (The total wins of each player you defeated versus the total wins of each player you lost against)
3: Tie-break tournament. (Unless such a tournament would cause lengthy delays for the league)
4: Average turn-speed (only if a tie-break tournament fails to resolve the tie, or would take too long to complete)(where a tie-break tournament has resulted in another tie, average turn speed within the tie-break tournament will be used to split the tie)

Anyone can join the league, members and non-members alike, simply by request in the most recent “Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League” forum thread. New players begin in the bottom group or in an expansion group. Promotions from expansion groups depend on numbers within the new groups.

Before the beginning of each season, a summary of the movements will be announced to allow for questions or corrections. The league works most smoothly if those who wish to bow out let the administrator know before the new season begins instead of simply declining to play after the groups have been determined and tournaments begun.
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/17/2017 09:59:17

Master Bjarke
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HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE


No. top finishes 
               Wins	Runner ups
huddyj  	4	1
TWOLKER 	1	1
Buns157 	1	1
Arkanton	1	1
Hades   	1	0
Master Bjarke	0	2
iNsAnE  	0	1
PanagiotisTheGr	0	1

Both Hades and Pana is new on this list, after achieving first and second respectively in 
season 8. 

Total seasons played in group A:
huddyj  	7
Gibs    	6
TWOLKER 	6
Buns157 	6
Master Bjarke	6
mslasm  	4
USA biches	3
Lampiao 	3
BenSeu  	3
PanagiotisTheGr 3
rocky1  	3
Arkanton	3
iNsAnE  	3
Dacian Novac	2
Pantelas	2
slejer  	2
Slats   	1
Pink    	1
Diplomatic Imm	1
kirdol  	1
slydog384	1
Philip B	1
Sultan Kosmitow	1
Kevin Turner	1
Aneksen  	1
smileyleg	1
PhucilliJerry	1
Bonsai  	1
Super Smoove	1
Hades   	1
Leo     	1

Hades and Leo made their debut to A. Huddyj remains the most seasoned player in A, 
but TWOLKER and I are both in A for the comming season and will thus tie the score soon. 

Best debut: 
Arkanton and Hades 1st (s6/s8)
Master Bjarke and iNsAnE 2nd (s3/s6)
mslasm and Sultan Kosmitow 3rd (s2/ s3)

Hades made a great debut with a 7-1 record and claimed the title. 
This is exactly what Arkanton did in season 6, so now the two of them share the honour of 
best debut in A. 

Most winning clans: 
Creative Cloud   	4
Lynx             	2
[BR] FUDEW      	1
Icelandic Turtles	1

I have started also noting the clan of the winner. Creative Cloud have a solid league with 
the 4 wins thanks to Huddyj being from this clan. Lynx is the only clan with more than one 
player getting the title, due to Arkanton and Hades winning season 6 and 8 respectively. 




Edited 2/4/2017 10:15:07
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/17/2017 10:00:11

Master Bjarke
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GROUPS FOR THIS SEASON


GROUP A	
	Players
	Hades
	Insane
	Master Bjarke
	Twolker
	Leo
	Panagiotis
B	mslasm
B	DR.Love
B	Bonsai
C	gogo2711


GROUP B	
	Players
A	Rocky
	Smileyleg
	Lampiao
	KingNorbs
	Matt431
	Hunta
	Baer
C	Oh Noes
C	Gibs
D	Semicedevine



GROUP C
	Players
B	indibob
	Kevin Turner
	greames
	Pantelas
	ALE
	BlacKnight
D	AI
D	Corvus5
D	j willy 47
E	Suchel



GROUP D
	Players
	Jammybstard
	Andersault
	ARandomPlayer
	Kent
E	Pardon99
E	Private Pabse
E	BADA
F	Uki
F	Green Turtle
E	Oilspotter



GROUP E
	Players
	Ameter
	Fc Bayern
	Dogberry
F	Hasdrubal
F	MoneyMakingMitch
F	Ragner Lothbrok
F	Cata Cauda
F	Jow Howe
G	Apollo
F	Coronel Gavillan




GROUP F
	Players
G 	Weatherman900
G	Scrooge McDuck
G	japan77
G	Bayern munchen is the best
H1	Naglfar
H1	Zanbato
H2	Juan
H2	Soul Survivor
H1	the Royal Canadian Empire
H2	Etienne



GROUP G	
	Players
F	Winged Hussars
H1	nitras
H1	blat.be-bop
H1	Ryzys
H1	mobtrio
H2	celticfringe
H2	kryzelfic
H2	Gears of war
H2	Oliver
H1	Captain Trips




GROUP H	
	Players
H1	Alexander the only one
H2	Archdruid
NEW	kitler
NEW	xxroid
NEW	123Chaos
NEW	BrazilianJuice
NEW	GetPuzzled
NEW	flufydragon
NEW     kasse84






New players for season 9:
kitler
xxroid
123Chaos
BrazilianJuice
GetPuzzled
kasse84
flufydragon

Edited 2/1/2017 20:57:15
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/17/2017 10:01:46

Master Bjarke
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WAITLIST AND DROPOUTS


Waitlist to join next season:

-



Player leaving after this season:

Apollo
Corvus5
Joe Howe
Uki

Edited 3/18/2017 07:23:27
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/17/2017 10:02:19

Master Bjarke
Level 63
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___________________________________________________________________________________
RESULTS - FINAL STANDINGS
__________________________________________________________________________________

Group A: 

Players 	Result	Place	Next season?
gogo2711	7-2	1st	A
Panagiotis	7-2	2nd	Leaving
Bonsai  	5-4	3rd	A
Hades   	5-4	4th	A
mslasm  	4-5	5th	A Tiebreaker: 19 points by defeated players
Master Bjarke	4-5	6th	A Tiebreaker: 13 points by defeated players, 1-0
Leo     	4-5	7th	A Tiebreaker: 13 points by defeated players, 0-1
Twolker 	3-6	8th	A 
DR. Love	3-6	9th	B
Insane  	3-6	10th	B

_______________________________________________

GROUP B

Players	     Result	Place	Next season?	
Semicedevine	7-2	1st	A
Oh Noes  	6-3	2nd	A
Hunta   	6-3	3rd	A
Baer    	5-4	4th	B
Lampiao 	5-4	5th	B
Matt431 	4-5	6th	B
Smileyleg	4-5	7th	B
rocky1  	3-6	8th	C
Gibs    	3-6	9th	C
KingNorbs	2-7	10th	C



_______________________________________________

GROUP C

Players 	Result	Place	Next season?	
graemes 	7-2	1st	B
Suschel 	7-2	2nd	B
AI      	6-3	3rd	B
BlacKnight	6-3	4th	C
ALE     	5-4	5th	C
indibob 	4-5	6th	C
Pantelas	4-5	7th	C
j willy 47	3-6	8th	D
Kevin Turner	2-7	9th	D
Corvus5 	1-8	10th	Leaving





_______________________________________________

GROUP D

Players 	Result	Place	Next season?	
Green Turtle	8-0	1st	B
Pardon99	6-2	2nd	C
Andersault	5-3	3rd	C
Uki     	4-4	4th	Leaving
Private Pabse	4-4	5th	D
BADA    	4-4	6th	D
Jammybstard	3-5	7th	D
Oilspotter	2-6	8th	D
ARandomPlayer	0-8	9th	E



_______________________________________________

GROUP E

Players 	Result	Place	Next season?	
Dogberry	8-1	1st	C
Ragnar Lothbrok	7-2	2nd	D	
Cata Cauda	6-3	3rd	D	
Fc Bayern	5-4	4th	D
Hasdrubal	4-5	5th	E	Tiebreaker: 18 points by defeated players
Ameter  	4-5	6th	E	Tiebreaker: 13 points by defeated players
MoneyMakingMitch4-5	7th	E	Tiebreaker: 11 points by defeated players
Joe Howe	3-6	8th	leaving	
Apollo  	3-6	9th	leaving	
Coronel Gavilan	1-8	10th	F	




_______________________________________________

GROUP F

Players         	Result	Place	Next season?
Juan            	8-0	1st	D
Soul Survivor   	6-2	2nd	E
Naglfar         	6-2	3rd	E
Zanbato         	5-3	4th	E
Midazolam       	4-4	5th	E
the Royal Canadian Empir3-5	6th	F
Bayern munchen is the be2-6	7th	F
Weatherman900   	2-6	8th	F
Etienne         	0-8	9th	G






_______________________________________________

GROUP G


Players         Result	Place	Next season?	
kryzelfiz	8-1	1st	E
celticfringe	7-2	2nd	E
Oliver   	6-3	3rd	F
mobtrio  	5-4	4th	F
Ryzys   	5-4	5th	Leaving
Gears of war	4-5	6th	F
blat.be-bop	4-5	7th	F
Captain Trips	3-6	8th	G
Winged Hussars	2-7	9th	G
nitras  	1-8	10th	G




_______________________________________________

GROUP H

Players         	Result	Place	Next season?	
kasse84 	4-0	1st	F
kitler  	3-1	2nd	F
flufydragon	2-2	3rd	G
Archdruid	1-3	4th	G
xxroid  	0-4	5th	G



Edited 3/21/2017 17:53:54
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/17/2017 10:03:57

Master Bjarke
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P/R Guide

Season 9 P/R Guide:
Group A
10 players, 1 leaving. 9-10 relegates.
Next season: 7A, 3B

Group B
10 players. 1-3th promotes, 4-7th stays, 8-10th relegates.
Next season: 2A, 4B, 3C, 1D

Group C
10 players, 1 leaving. 1-3th promotes, 4-7th stays, 8-9th relegates
Next season: 3B, 4C, 2D, 1E

Group D
9 players, 1 leaving. 1st superpromotes to B, 2-3th promotes. 5-8th stays. 9th relegates.
Next season: 2C, 4D, 3E, 1F


Group E
10 players. 1st superpromotes to C, 2-4th promotes, 5-7th stays, 10th relegates
Next season: 1D, 3E, 4F, 2G

Group F
9 players. 1st superpromotes to D, 2-5th promotes t, 6-8th stays, 9th relegates.
Next season: 1E, 3F, 4G, 2H

Group G
10 players. 1 leaving. 1-2nd superpromotes to E, 3-7th promotes. 8-10 stays.
Next season: 1F, 3G, 3H

Group H
5 players. 1-2nd superpromotes to F. 3-5th promotes to G.
Next season: empty

Edited 3/18/2017 08:49:14
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/17/2017 19:18:53


Bayern München is the best!
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„boots no longer count as negative points“
„any player booted from a game will receive -0.5 points for this game“

um... wtf?
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/17/2017 19:33:48

Ryzys
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@Bayern: "Boots no longer count as negative points, except for use in tie breaker"
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/19/2017 07:16:56

Master Bjarke
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@Bayern.

I forgot to change it from least season in the first post - thanks for catching it. It will be as Ryzys says for the comming season.
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/19/2017 09:15:02


Bayern München is the best!
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Oh.. I didn't read the bold part. My fault, sorry about that :)
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/19/2017 22:37:32


blat.be-bop 
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yay!
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/20/2017 07:39:41

Master Bjarke
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RULE IDEA:
Juan got me thinking with his comment on the season 8 thread: maybe it would make sense in the future, to have first place from each H group play each other in a single game, to provide a way for me to rank them against each other, if they have the same record from the league? In this season, if I wanted to give triple promotions, I would have to give two of them. There would be no guarentee that this match would matter in any way, just the possibility of it. Would that make sense doing next season (providing that there are two H groups at all)?? The game would be created only if there would be a decent amount of time before the next season are created.
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/20/2017 09:53:24

Hasdrubal
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Instead of choosing (when there are 2 equally ranked players from different groups at the same level of league) it would be better if solution is found withing known frames (before league starts) or they are both equal in promotions/relegations (if there would be new paralel levels within league like "H" leagues are).

Edited 1/21/2017 21:33:58
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/23/2017 18:56:35

kryzelfiz
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you misspelled my name ;)
i am in group G

Edited 1/23/2017 18:57:14
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/24/2017 04:08:54

Suschel
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Master Bjarke, to comment on your question: To my opinion normal promotions and relegations should be the rule. Double- or even triple-promotions should only be exceptions due to filling up the league.

But I want to present a different suggestion as well: why should there be double or triple promotions at all? Lets assume there is someone dropping out of group A. Instead of double promotion from C an option might be that the first 4 (not 3) of group B promote, leaving only 2 (instead of 3) relegating. What do you guys think about it?
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/24/2017 08:58:55

Hasdrubal
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I agree with Suschel. People willing to play could stay in own league rather than being relegated (but at least one from the league should be relegated/booted/dropped). Super-promotions should be used only if there are dropping from the upper level leagues that are impossible to fill from the league(s) of next level.

Edited 1/24/2017 08:59:20
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/24/2017 18:52:19

Juan 
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in season 7 there were triple promotion... That's why i thought that there was gonna be in last season too... i dont care if there are double or triple promotions, i only care that rules should be clear from the begining...
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/24/2017 19:11:04


blat.be-bop 
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My understanding of the rules as they were written was that all super-promotions come from people dropping out, and more places having to be filled, otherwise everything consists of single promotions/relegations. But that was my reading. So yeah it seems pretty ambiguous what happens when there are no drop outs, and a guideline (I don't think writing out every case is necessary, just a sense of what to expect) of what do if there are.
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/24/2017 20:54:14

Master Bjarke
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in season 7 there were triple promotion... That's why i thought that there was gonna be in last season too... i dont care if there are double or triple promotions, i only care that rules should be clear from the begining...


I think the rules are fairly clear as they are. In the rules which is in the second post on all season thread describes it as follows:


The model will typically be to have the top three promote and the bottom three relegate but there are exceptions. Where there is a default – a player becoming inactive or asking to bow out of the league – there can be more promotions to fill in the vacancy. Where this happens in several groups there can be a lot of shuffling. The principle, though, is to usually have at least one player from each group relegated. Several retirements mean fewer relegations and more super-promotions to keep the groups filled.


This means that if there is no drop outs or players being kicked for booting too much (and noone not joining their tournament in time), there will be 3 promotions and 3 relegations in every group. This is never going to happen though. If the seems unclear from the above, I can try to refrase it - would that help? It is not meant to be ambiguous in the case of no drop out.
However as there will be drop outs, things gets complicated. If say the rule was to just promote one more from the group below, and lets say that there is one drop out in each group (I expect there to be more really), then A would be, 3 relegations; B=4 promotions 3 relegations; C=5 promotions 3 relegations; D=6promotions 3 relegations (leaving no player from D in D); E would break down as there would be 7 promotions, 3 relegations and one drop out, which is not possible - not to mention G with 9 promotions and 3 relegations. Thus for this reason limiting the number of people who relegates, when there is drop out, is a key feature in stabilizing the groups in my opinion. However it is not fun to loss all the time because a player is stuck in too high of a group, and for that reason I aim to keep 1 player relegating from all groups. Also super promotions is a way to have the tickle down effect of dropouts pass by a certain group and can (and will) be used to avoid players finishing near the buttom of a group from promoting. Espicially triple promotions would however allow players to completly bypass other players rather than having them meet each other in a game to prove themselves, which I think is a shame and not the intent in a P/R league. However it also makes it possible for good new players to faster go to a group where they are challenged. I believe that superpromotions are doing this pretty decent though. The promotions/relegations guide will be posted at some point during the season when I have a better idea of the players that will be there for the next season, and will provide an idea as to how promotions and relegations are going to be, although it will almost certainly be incomplete, as were will likely be drop out or kicks I dont know about when making it. It is an attempt to make transparency about how P/Rs are expected to be, allow for debate on the judgement calls that will be nessesary, and catch mistakes or misunderstandings. Actually making the guide and determining the promotions and relegations is quite a puzzle, and in the proces I do look at how the groups is panning out so far.

To clearify on promotions and relegations:
- Baseline: 3 promotions and 3 relegations from each group.
- Dropouts will lead to deviations from the baseline: Less will relegate and more will promote.
- The actual standings in the groups will affect how this is done. E.g. winning a group with a perfect score will increase the odds for getting a superpromotion, but it will NOT guarantee it.

Did this help clearify on how promotions and relegations are stated?
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/25/2017 22:39:52

xxroid
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I'm actually kinda pumped for my first season, hope I can play fairly well...
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 1/31/2017 07:26:05

Master Bjarke
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Good luck to everybody. I plan to start the tournaments sometime saturday morning, so everybody should make sure to join their tournament before that :)
Also there is still room for new players to join the league - please write me a mail, or reply here if you want to join.
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 2/1/2017 14:33:46


kasse84 
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can i join plz?
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 2/3/2017 12:13:55

Master Bjarke
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kasse84 is added

Today is last chance for any new players, as I will start the tournaments whenever I get online tomorrow. Please mail me if so, as I will see that faster, and then everyone have only until tomorrow to join their groups - anyone not joined by then will de dropped from the league as usual.
Good luck everyone :D
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 2/4/2017 10:14:14

Master Bjarke
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Season 9 has now started - good luck to everyone!
This season we have very few players not joining their group (excluding the expansion group we have 2: one in group D and one in group F), so there may be fewer or no superpromotions and more people relegating than we have seen the last couple seasons. Every game matters! :)
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 2/4/2017 22:04:47

xxroid
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Why are there only five people in H group? I assume then that promotions from H to G will be more stringent because there are so few H people.

And, if anybody from H group wants to finish their game with me quickly, PM me a time where I can get on and we can do it so that we can focus on fewer games.

Edited 2/4/2017 22:05:37
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 2/17/2017 03:03:09

Ryzys
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bump

Edited 2/26/2017 18:35:00
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 2/18/2017 07:16:24


Joe Howe
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Please remove me from the league next season
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 2/18/2017 20:12:36

xxroid
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H Group is done... I did bad this round, I need to practice and get better D: (0-4)


*cries in corner*
Small Earth Promotion/Relegation League Season 9: 3/1/2017 04:58:10


Dogberry
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I wish more people would join...
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