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Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 15:40:54

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It appears that Pushover has disappeared, so I'm unofficially stepping in to help get this season underway. If Pushover returns or someone else feels they can run things more smoothly, feel free to contact me and I'll step out of the way. For now, I'm going to stick with Pushover's vision for the league, and default to whatever decisions or precedents he created. We can discuss potential changes next season - really, season 21 just needs to start!

There's one change for this season that Pushover decided to implement at the end of last season. This season, in the interest of time (especially since we've lost so much already!), the league will implement a 75-day "hard cap" on the length of the season. Any players determined to be stalling or playing slow enough to hold up the rest of the league will be given losses for their remaining games over 75 days. Here's how this will work, taken from Pushover's post on page 6 of the last thread:

* League officially begins at the join deadline, even if some tournaments begin before then
* A blurb is pasted into each group's comments explaining the new rule
* At 30 days before the deadline, all groups are analyzed. Anyone who looks like they could run afoul of the rule will get a private message warning. Say, fewer than 3 games completed.
* At 14 days before the deadline, a warning will go out to all players with any outstanding games.
* At 7 days before the deadline, another warning will go out to all players with any outstanding games.
* At the deadline, the league is analyzed. If a group F1 situation arises, then the deadline is extended until the group is resolved to where slow players can individually be identified. All players with outstanding games are notified with progress.
* No one will be removed from the league for slow play, rather, the delaying player will be given losses and the non delaying player will be given wins.
* If a player speeds up their play but their *opponent* slows down their play in hopes to get a default judgement, well, that's pretty much grounds for being kicked out. Screw that.
* If players who play each other both delay, they are both given losses.
* This rule will only be used to help decide promotions and relegations - things that prevent the next season from starting.


Here is where tournament links will be given:
A: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21890
B: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21891
C1: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21892
C2: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21893
D1: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21894
D2: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21921
E1: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21923
E2: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21925
E3: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21916
F1: [deleted]
F2: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21918
F3: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21919
G1: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21920
G2: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21922
G3: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21924
G4: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21926
G5: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=21927

(I'm going to need some volunteers to create tournaments for me. Please PM me if you want to help.
- Taken care of! Thanks Aura Guardian and Ollie!)

The newbie groups are already full. Anyone who is interested can still join the waitlist at any time, though! We'll be pulling from the waitlist to fill empty spots in newbie groups. If you want to join, please reply to the thread and not private message me. Private messages will not count when determining order of joining players!

Groups will be force started 7 days after they are created. For groups that are created today, this means the deadline for joining is Friday, January 27, and the "hard cap" for the length of the tournament is Wednesday, April 12.

Good luck everyone!

Edited 2/6/2017 20:38:41
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 15:42:11

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Concept

The Promotion/Relegation League is a seasonal group of round-robin Warlight tournaments, always on the classic “strategic middle earth” map and settings with 0% weighted random luck. (This is not the same as the template currently used for the 1v1 ladder.) Players are grouped into 7 player groups, each group sorted into a tier. At the end of each season, the top players of each tier are promoted to the next tier above. Bottom players are relegated to the next tier below. Middle players remain in the same tier.

The league is meant to appeal to players who want to see, over the course of several seasons, where their natural level of competition might take them. For new, skilled participants, this means patience in getting to the levels where they will be challenged. Hopefully, that is part of the fun. The idea is to see how quickly you can progress, how long you can stay high, or how long it takes to stop a skid.

Rules

The league is run with a balance of predictability and flexibility. Final decisions are made by the league administrator with an attempt to consider input of league players.

Currently, the following model is employed:

A (1 group): 2 demote
B (1 group): 2 promote, 3 demote
C (2 groups): 3 promote (2nd place playoff between C1 and C2), 4 demote (2 each group)
D (2 groups): 4 promote (2 each group), 6 demote (3 each group)
E (3 groups): 6 promote (2 each group), 6 demote (2 each group)
F (3 groups): 6 promote (2 each group), 10 demote (3 each group, loser of 3-way playoff relegates also)
G (5 groups): 10 promote (2 each group)

There are exceptions to this model. Where there is default – a player becoming inactive or asking to bow out of the league – there can be more promotions to fill in the vacancy. The principle, though, is to usually have at least one player from each group relegated. Several retirements mean fewer relegations and more promotions to keep the groups filled.

Any player inactive in any three games of any tournament is deemed to be out of the league and can only return as a new player in an expansion or bottom group.

Placements in a round-robin are determined by number of wins. In the event of a tie, placements are determined by head-to-head results among the tied. Occasionally, there are loops of ties that cannot be resolved by the head-to-head rule. A tie-breaking tournament then takes place unless all the players involved agree to otherwise settle the tie.

If players are still tied after the tiebreaker tournament, or a tiebreaker tournament is not made, ratios of Fizzer's metric will be used to break the tie. Fizzer's metric is calculated in the final turn of the game, and is equal to a player's controlled armies plus income times two (A + 2*I). The ratio then is the metric for one player divided by the sum of metrics for both players. I will cap the metric to be a minimum of 0.51 for the winner and a maximum of 0.49 for the loser. The tie will then be broken according to the sum of ratios of Fizzer's metric among games involved in the tie. (If still tied, I will disregard the 0.51/0.49 limits)

Anyone can join the league, members and non-members alike, simply by request in the most recent “Promotion/Relegation League” forum thread. New players begin in the bottom group or in an expansion group. Promotions from expansion groups depend on numbers within the new groups.

For players with multiple accounts, only one account may be used in this league, and placement in the league can't be switched around with other accounts. What this means is that if you want to switch accounts, you must start again from the bottom tier. It's recommended that all new players use an account they plan to use long term.

Before the beginning of each season, a summary of the movements will be announced to allow for questions or corrections. The league works most smoothly if those who wish to bow out of it let the administrator know before the new season begins instead of simply declining to play after the groups have been determined and tournaments begun.

The history of the last season can be reviewed from links in the season 20 thread:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/173737-promotionrelegation-league-season-20

Edited 1/22/2017 08:36:09
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 15:43:16

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List of Promotion Relegation League Winners

*Season 1 had 3 equal groups*

Season 1
Dunga http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2151
Frankdeslimste http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2155
TexasJohn http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2154

Season 2
Dunga http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2295

Season 3
Dunga http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2631

Season 4
Dunga http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2935

Season 5
HHH http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=3180

Season 6
Frankdeslimste http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=3500

Season 7
Frankdeslimste http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=4042

Season 8
Ruthless Bastard http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=4484

Season 9
Ruthless Bastard http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=4969

Season 10
dreuj http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=6070

Season 11
dreuj http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=7424

Season 12
grona http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=9076

Season 13
grona http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=10348

Season 14 - A Five Way Tie!
Frankdeslimste, Miyagi, Grona, Ineffable, Timon92
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=11631

Season 15
Tenshi https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=13085

Season 16
timon92 https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=14279

Season 17
Krzychu https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=15408

Season 18
timon92 https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=17073

Season 19
timon92 https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=18648

Season 20
Timinator https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=20240


Hall of Fame (omitting shared titles):
timon92 - 3
Dunga - 3
grona - 2
dreuj - 2
Ruthless Bastard - 2
Frankdeslimste - 2
Timinator - 1
Krzychu - 1
Tenshi - 1
Heyheuhei - 1
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 15:54:33

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Groups for this season:

GROUP A
Timinator
timon92
Krzysztof
rocky1
FlyingBender
Master of the Dead
master of desaster

GROUP B
Jefferspin
Beren • apex
JV
Bigchps147
Buns157
almosttricky
smileyleg

GROUP C1
Mirror
Metatron
Master Bjarke
Pushover
USA Biches
Dom365
awesomeusername

GROUP C2
Master Turtle
Oh Noes
Verzehrer
Hades
Sultan Kosmitów
Master Jz
Arkanton

GROUP D1
ChrisCMU
Platinum
AWESOMEGUY
Min34
독일남자(Rob)
13CHRIS37
graemes

GROUP D2
Don [ Ω ]
Maréchal Lannes, duc de Montebello
Cata Cauda
Ryzys
DR. Love
Turkish
PanagiotisTheGreekFreak

GROUP E1
Andersault
PhucilliJerry
MisterT
culpa
Countess
AWOL Gls AJ
Semicedevine

GROUP E2
ferede
tomjh
Hostile
Math Wolf
[NL] bassoonplayer
rouxburg
Glamorous❤

GROUP E3
MightySpeck (a Koala)
butterfly94
Hasdrubal
Hunta
Pink
dry-clean-only
SATS

GROUP F1
<SNinja> Leinad
bobbob000
Adolf Hitler
MarkusBM
KKND
Dob
Doron Hoh

GROUP F2
mslasm
Coyote151
Electric_Kitten
carlos12.0
Motoki - モトキ
Njord
kroete

GROUP F3
Benjamin628
BADA
[FCC] Aura Guardian
KevinTurner
Izazovnog
MIFRAN
BYG Jacob

GROUP G1
[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
Coronel Gavilan
[*Voo*] tomn555
Kaerox
krunx
Phaeril
J_Dog33340

GROUP G2
[wolf]japan77
Doc
Ink Splatoon
IMMORTAL
Master Farah♦
El professor
Des {TJC}

GROUP G3
Naram-Sin
Etienne
The Adversary
Rubin
Alexander The Only One
Trixie Lulamoon
blat.be-bop

GROUP G4
Bayern München is the best!
Terek
{Shredtail2}
zanbato
ViralGoat
Nickovision
Edge

GROUP G5
Weatherman900 {TJC}
Matt431
Mirage
ARand0mPlayer
Mr. Nobody
Robert E Lee
.. this guy

WAITLIST:
Great Expanse https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=9935521502
Andresso https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=6441410851
Apollo https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=5755701451
Rikku https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=2969075806
The Royal Canadian Empire https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=3036422648
[WOLF]-Aleksander The Great https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=7936869064
Apollo https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=5755701451
Tjoex https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=4026546725
Uki https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=1540523955
Dannybhoy https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=8343186028
ScarlettTD https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=3929162167
Tac(ky)tical https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=9733643221
Fluttershy https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=2579062270
Bliss1 https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=5271364445

Note that because Onoma94 re-retired from the league, MisterT will take his spot in Group E1, and Kevin Turner will take MisterT's spot in Group F3. This means Etienne, first on the waitlist, will take Kevin Turner's spot in Group G3. One person off the waitlist, hooray!

Edited 1/24/2017 17:14:56
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 16:18:07


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GROUP C2
Verzehrer

GROUP E1
PhucilliJerry

GROUP F1
Adolf Hitler

GROUP G1
[WL] Colonel Harthacanute

GROUP G2
[wolf]japan77


All went inactive since the last season; propably can be omitted too.

GROUP G3
Trixie Lulamoon

Uses new account now.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 16:26:30

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Thanks for the heads-up.

If they don't announce their retirement I think the fairest thing to do (at least, what was done in the past) is to give them a week to join their tournaments and then kick them if they don't join. I know this season is weird because we had a long gap after last season finished, so there will probably be more dropouts than usual. If this becomes a problem, we can merge groups like tier F last season.

And @account changes, this issue came up at the end of Season 19 with Smutny Edgar, and he had to start again from the bottom. Since this isn't really my league I don't want to make any more changes to the rules than I have to, but I can see why we might want to revisit it later.

Edited 1/20/2017 16:30:14
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 17:15:33


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I will be hosting groups D2 to E2. If anyone would like to help us host tournaments, and have the sufficient level to do so, please send a PM to awesomeusername
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 17:56:39


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if they don't announce their retirement I think the fairest thing to do (at least, what was done in the past) is to give them a week to join their tournaments and then kick them if they don't join.

What Pushover did previously is (especially when the season started later than it should have) send private messages to all participants asking whether or not they are still willing to participate. If they didn't answer they weren't added. This way inactives were filtered.

Since you have already started the tourneys, this is of course no longer possible. But maybe it can be of help in later seasons.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 19:31:10

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Ah, that sounds like a good system - will definitely do that next time. Thanks for that.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 20:17:49


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Fair play for someone to take the initiative and kick-starting this season and trying to stick to the original organiser vision as best as they can!

Thank you for doing this.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 20:58:54


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Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 22:06:17

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Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 22:08:03

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@aura

you should recreate your tourneys since they only have 1 game at a time. Impossible to make the 75 day cap with that. Should be 2 at once
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 22:26:06


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oops. I forgot about that setting. I apologize. I will recreate them.

it should be Kevin Turner, not KevinTurner

Edited 1/20/2017 22:26:38
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 22:28:42


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Onoma94 left the league
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/20/2017 22:34:10


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Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 00:53:03


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GROUP C2
Verzehrer

GROUP E1
PhucilliJerry

GROUP F1
Adolf Hitler

GROUP G1
[WL] Colonel Harthacanute

GROUP G2
[wolf]japan77


WW2 has really hit P/R hard.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 02:53:22


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Leinad from SNinja clan has been inactive almost 50 days now just FYI.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 12:30:44


Dannybhoy
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im available to join the bottom league if needs be
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 13:28:58


krunx 
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Thank you for doing this!
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 14:59:21


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Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 15:40:40


ScarlettTD 
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Could I sign up for the waiting list please?
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 18:12:44


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I wanna play!!
- downvoted post by Bayern München is the best!
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 19:28:24


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Allow me to repeat, Bayern: This is NOT the place to feud with me. This is an official thread for an official community event, not a battleground. So please do us all a favor and not turn an official thread into your own personal battlefield.

Edited 1/21/2017 19:28:35
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 20:09:35

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For future use, I recommend that each group where there are more than one equally ranked ones (like C1-C2 or E1-E2-E3 or any others equally ranked leagues) you should shuffle players, at least the ones that remained in the same league from the last season. Thus nobody will have to fight same people they fought the last season.

Thanks for understanding and thanks for the effort managing this competition!
- downvoted post by Bayern München is the best!
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 20:41:10


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They are all correct, Bayern. They were correct before you said anything.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/21/2017 21:39:43

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@Platinum, krunx: My pleasure! This has been my favorite Warlight league, it would be a shame to see it die. :)

@Dannybhoy: I've already got you on the waitlist. :) If people don't join into Group G within a week, I'll invite from the waitlist, so you might get in. Otherwise, you'll almost certainly play in Season 22.

@ScarlettTD: Added you!

@Tac(ky)tical: You booted out last season, so I'm putting you on the back of the waitlist as well.

@Hasdrubal: Thanks for the suggestion! Pushover created these groups. He tried to put an even number of people who promoted, relegated, and stayed the same the previous season in each group, to make the groups as even as possible. This will spread players from the same groups out a little bit more than random. I'll consider your suggestion for next season. My biggest concern is that it might nearly completely determine the groups, and having a little bit of randomness is fun, IMHO.

Also note that sometimes a rematch is unavoidable. For example, 3 people promoted from D1 last season into C1 or C2, so two of them will have to play each other (in this case, USA Biches and me).

Edited 1/21/2017 21:40:52
Promotion/Relegation League Season 21: 1/22/2017 07:29:15


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Just a heads up to the host of PR League. In tournament G3 the account Trixie Lulamoon, previously mine, is not in use anymore. Now if you want you can replace that account with this current one and I'll happily participate. That is all.
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