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Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/3/2017 20:40:58


Onoma94 
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Welcome to the Official Clan League 9 Qualifier Q2 Thread!

Here's the official Cline spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/xT2dzg

You'll find there all the league rules and all information about line-ups, rosters, and of course game results.

Games will start according to this schedule:
03.02: 3v3 Deadman;s Rome
04.02: 2v2 Guiroma
05.02: 1v1 TBA
06.02: 1v1 TBA
07.02: 1v1 TBA

Clans playing in group Q2 are: CORP, 7th Heaven, [NL] Dutch Forever, Preußen Garde, German Warlords and Lu Fredd.

I'm going to do updates every week on weekend (propably saturday).

Good luck everyone!

Some other threads on this season of Clan League:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/220291-clan-league-9-signups
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/220290-clan-league-9-templates
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/224489-clan-league-9-template-voting
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/231273-clan-league-9-roster-lineup
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/242841-clan-league-9-kick
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/243545-cl-predictions-spreadsheet
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/243548-clan-league-9-predictions
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/244331-clan-league-9-division-official-thread

Edited 2/4/2017 00:10:43
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/4/2017 17:41:42


Onoma94 
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Wow such disinterest in this division. :( I know that the winner is obvious here, but come on. :P
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/4/2017 17:51:30


Master of the Dead 
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There was a bug in data entry for Q2 which messed up some stuff in "Filtered Games" and the Group Q2 sheet.

This has been fixed manually. Please let me know if there are any errors.
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/5/2017 12:33:39

[NL] Sander
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all players in Rome have joined and the current games have started
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/5/2017 12:44:06


Rikku 
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Little to be interested in right now (in all divisions). Most exciting parts are when the first 1v1 start finshing and we get an idea of how things will go. Then the second shift when team games start to finish.
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/5/2017 22:03:01


Chancho
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I think team games started first. According to the schedule up there.
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/6/2017 09:47:00


Onoma94 
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Oh Chancho discovered public forums! :D Hi!

I think team games started first.

They did start first, but they will likely finish last, like usually :P

1v1 Guiroma started yesterday, so now only two 1v1 are to start now!
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/7/2017 08:53:56

[NL] Sander
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3v3 started first, 2v2 second and 2 of the 3 1v1's after that, we're now only waiting for 1v1 volcano island to start
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/7/2017 16:02:19

[NL] Sander
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first game has ended: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12856031

(win for 7th heaven against German warlords)
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/7/2017 20:29:58

rakleader
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first game has ended: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12856031

(win for 7th heaven against German warlords)


Someone should tell m7 that there are no +1 bonuses on Guiroma, before he loses all his games. :/
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/7/2017 20:38:09


Cloud Strife 
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I believe we drew first blood in Cline, if I'm not mistaken.
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/8/2017 05:20:23


Alexander the Great
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Two more games completed.

Edited 2/8/2017 06:19:52
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/8/2017 07:13:26


Master of the Dead 
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Few of the games have ended due to players not joining the game within the allotted 3 days.. Please make sure that your clan mates understand that they have to join these games(or it counts as a loss). The CLOT respects vacations and these players can join after they return.

Edited 2/8/2017 07:15:25
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/8/2017 07:40:08

[NL] Sander
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Can CORP check on Chancho and Thanatos D. Ven to make sure they join future games in time?
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/9/2017 12:07:01

Nemo
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You can be sure theres much noise about that inside the clan..
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/11/2017 23:08:40


Onoma94 
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Division Q1 - Week 1









Games Finished

(losing team on the left side)

2017.02.07
2v2 Guiroma: CORP (Thanatos D. Ven+Chancho) vs 7th Heaven (Alexander the Great+Cid Highwind)
2v2 Guiroma: CORP (Thanatos D. Ven+Chancho) vs Preußen Garde (Olkani [PG]+Angi)
1v1 Guiroma: German Warlords (m7) vs 7th Heaven (Cait Sith)

2017.02.08

1v1 Guiroma: Dutch Forever (surfpizza) vs 7th Heaven (Cait Sith)
1v1 Volcano Island: Preußen Garde (Naglfar) vs Lu Fredd (Lucien Müller)
1v1 Old Strat ME: CORP (mm3100) vs 7th Heaven (Bahamut)

2017.02.09

1v1 Old Strat ME: German Warlords (Ulti) vs 7th Heaven (Bahamut)

2017.02.10

1v1 Guiroma: German Warlords (m7) vs Dutch Forever (surfpizza)




Commentary

Although it's just a beginning, it seems unlikely that 7th Heaven won't win this group. Not only they already won 5 games with 0 loses which is extremely fast compared to other clans here, but also CORPs 2v2 Guiroma team knocked out itself in matches against 7th Heaven and Prussians (a real shame, my clan had real chance of sweeping this template :( ). CORP lost another game against 7th Heaven on ME WR too.

Aside from 7th Heaven Lu Fredd is the only clan that still didn't lose any game here. Dutch and Prussians are 1-1 both.

Clan that fails so far is German Warlords, who has yet to win a game, but seeing who they played against so far (2x 7th Heaven and surfpizza who won on the same template previous season for [NL]) maybe they will do better later on.

Aside from the now-famous TDV fail no team games finished. Majority of 1v1 results come from Guiroma which isn't surprising since it started as first.

Will CORP stop failing? Can anyone stop 7th Heaven? Why is Lu Fredd not an "italian" clan anymore (so as to make things even more nationalist in Q2)? Will Germans unite and start fighting their real enemies? We will get to know in the following weeks! Stay tuned!
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/12/2017 09:38:11

[NL] Sander
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thanks for the commentary and the overview.

Also Lu Fredd may not have lost yet, but they are also the only clan that has no games against 7th heaven going on or already finished

Also they are the clan with the fewest games finished

Edited 2/12/2017 09:39:02
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/13/2017 01:08:51


Math Wolf 
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Predictions based on 86 respondents:

                   1    2    3    4    5    6 mean   sd        
CORP            32.6 43.0  9.3  9.3  3.5  2.3 2.15 1.21
7th Heaven      52.3 20.9  3.5  8.1  7.0  8.1 2.21 1.67
LuFredd          2.3 11.6 27.9 23.3 20.9 14.0 3.91 1.32
German Warlords  5.8  8.1 25.6 19.8 22.1 18.6 4.00 1.45
Dutch [NL]       4.7 12.8 15.1 17.4 23.3 26.7 4.22 1.54
Preussen Garde   3.5  4.7 18.6 22.1 22.1 29.1 4.42 1.38

The top two is pretty obvious as in that it's clear that there's no one clear number one. (Reread that sentence twice please.) The difference for first between CORP and 7th Heaven is not significant and their means are pretty close to one another. CORP edges out 7th Heaven barely in the predictions because they zone in on the top spots with more than 75% predicted qualification for group C and most others putting them still relatively close (3rd and 4th). In a group with very high variation all over the place, they are the ones with the most consensus.

It's a mystery to me how 7 respondents put 7th Heaven last and 23 (!), more than a quarter outside the qualification spots for C. These are possibly uninformed voters who do not know who really plays for this clan. Nevertheless, more than half of the respondents did predict them first, more than CORP, but it's just not enough to edge out CORP in these predictions. Due to the high number of respondents ranking 7th Heaven towards and the rest putting them first, their variation is the largest over all clans over all divisions.

From third to sixth, it's another block of clans, with all pairwise differences not significant. The p-value associated with the LuFredd - Preussen Garde (3-6) comparison was 18%, delivering no proof that the Warlight community sees any of these clans as having a significantly different skill level of any other. While their votes are not all alike, they are very similar as well though. LuFredd receives double digit predictions at each rank from 2nd to 6th and isn't predicted more than 30% in any single rank, the latter part also being true for each of the other 3 clans in this range. They edge out the others mainly by virtue of receiving the least last place votes of the 4 clans. They also received the lowest first place votes overall, but the absolute numbers there are much smaller (2 votes for them).

German Warlords received the third most first place votes in this division (5), but it's not good enough to really make a difference with any of the other clans, especially considering they only have the 5th most respondents predicting them going to C. Just as LuFredd, they have less than 30% of the vote on each rank, but they have almost 20% on each rank from 3th to 6th, making it obvious that they are difficult to predict.

Dutch [NL] has the third most predictions to actually get to C, with 17.5%. This is however compensated by half of the respondents ranking them 5th or 6th. As mentioned, there is no significant difference between them and any of the other 3-6 clans. Also, they are Dutch, meaning their dialect is significantly worst than mine. ;-) Just kidding, guys, but please don't visit my city for shopping this weekend, I'm sick and tired of hearing that language!

Preussen Garde may not be significantly worse than any of the 3 other clans ranking 3rd-6th, there isn't much hope either. They have the lowest percentage of respondents believing in them getting to C (only one with less than 10%) and the most last place votes. Still, the differences are small and it's about a handfull of votes every time (with less than 30% votes on every rank, like the others), so anything can happen really.

Please see https://www.warlight.net/Forum/243545-cl-predictions-spreadsheet?Offset=79 for full methodology and other divisions.
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/13/2017 04:34:40


Zack Fair
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Yo, Mathwolf doing work. Thanks for giving us the 411. There's good players all around in this clan league. Look forward to competing with ya'll.
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/19/2017 02:49:32


Onoma94 
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Division Q2 - Week 2



Finished Games

(losing team on the left side)

2017.02.12
12868647 1v1 Volcano Island: Dutch Forever (Lucky Light) vs Lu Fredd (Lucien Müller)
12862272 1v1 Old Strat ME: Dutch Forever (Hendrik) vs CORP (mm3100)

2017.02.13
12856032 1v1 Guiroma: Preußen Garde (Olkani) vs CORP (Tjoex)
12862273 1v1 Old Strat ME: German Warlords (Ulti) vs Dutch Forever (Hendrik)

2017.02.14
12849652 2v2 Guiroma: Dutch Forever (Master B+Lothorien) vs LuFredd (max+kalati)
12874079 1v1 Old Strat ME: Lu Fredd (MrJimmy) vs CORP (mm3100)
12899639 1v1 Old Strat ME: German Warlords (Ulti) vs CORP (mm3100)

2017.02.15
12856033 1v1 Guiroma: Lu Fredd (Double D.) vs German Warlords (m7)

2017.02.16
12856034 1v1 Guiroma: Lu Fredd (Double D.) vs Preußen Garde (Olkani)
12874084 1v1 Old Strat ME: Preußen Garde (Stirax) vs 7th Heaven (Bahamut)
12899640 1v1 Old Strat ME: Dutch Forever (Hendrik) vs 7th Heaven (Bahamut)
12905911 1v1 Guiroma: CORP (Tjoex) vs 7th Heaven (Cait Sith)

2017.02.17
12902787 1v1 Volcano Island: Dutch Forever (Lucky Light) vs Preußen Garde (Naglfar)

2017.02.18
12868642 1v1 Volcano Island: German Warlords (Janine) vs Dutch Forever (Lucky Light)
12917947 1v1 Old Strat ME: Dutch Forever (Hendrik) vs Lu Fredd (Lucien Müller)



Horse Race





Commentary

Games finish quickly, especially ME ones - seems it has a lot of quick players on it. Mm3100 from CORP (playing on ME) is the first player to finish all his games on any single template in this division (however a lot of players finished all but 1). His three wins (with only one loss), and Tjoex's Guiroma win bring lots of points to CORP.
7th Heaven still has yet to lose a game, this week seen Bahamut (aka Belzebu) bringing 2 wins on ME and Cait Sith (aka Rambo) bringing one on Guiroma, all in one day.
Dutch Forever has a less-than-good week with Guiroma team finishing first game with a loss, Hendrik losing 3 games on ME (but also winning one against German Warlords) and Lucky Light losing two on VI (but winning one as well) so far. Their max points burn too quickly, and not always against the "top2" clans of the division, let's hope they'll be able to reverse course.
Almost as bad is German Warlords, which lost "only" three games and won one. Ulti losing even against Hendrik (otherwise on losing streak) looks really bad for them.
Meanwhile Preußen has even week with 2 wins and 2 losses, from 3 different templates. Overally their results look stable. Same thing could be said about Lu Fredd, with 1 win on 2v2 Guiroma, 1 on ME, 1 on VI and 2 losses on 1v1 Guiroma. Notice how those results are a bit more varied, than NL's (mostly just losses), CORP's (mostly wins from 1 player) and 7th's (all wins). Some wins, some losses, and on almost all templates.

No 3v3's finished yet - and they always bring a lot of unexpected changes to final results (remember Lu Fredd's domination in CL7D1?). Since they started first, maybe we'll see some ending soon.




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Edited 2/19/2017 12:49:02
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/19/2017 02:59:21


Master of the Dead 
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That is a lot of games completed in one week :O
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/19/2017 07:15:38

Ryzys
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2012.02.12
12868647 1v1 Volcano Island: Dutch Forever (Lucky Light) vs Lu Fredd (Lucien Müller)
12862272 1v1 Old Strat ME: Dutch Forever (Hendrik) vs CORP (mm3100)

2017.02.13
12856032 1v1 Guiroma: Preußen Garde (Olkani) vs CORP (Tjoex)
12862273 1v1 Old Strat ME: German Warlords (Ulti) vs Dutch Forever (Hendrik)
I'm more surprised that there's a 5 year gap between some games!
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/19/2017 12:51:04


Onoma94 
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I'm more surprised that there's a 5 year gap between some games!

Don't fake quotes please. >:]
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/20/2017 17:44:12


Nobody
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Na LuFredd got 2 times booted in 1vs1 :(.We substituted the player and we still got the second place so i really hope we will be fine.
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/21/2017 04:58:35

Ryzys
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Don't fake quotes please. >:]
Don't make me believe I've had the Mandela effect. I know what I saw before the edit and your cover up! :P
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/26/2017 03:38:24


Onoma94 
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(there was a Q2 update; wait, I mixed up something; will paste it tomorrow)

Edited 2/26/2017 03:42:43
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/26/2017 15:43:39


Onoma94 
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Division Q2 - Week 3

Finished Games

2017.02.18
12868644 1v1 Volcano Island: Preußen Garde (Naglfar) defeated 7th Heaven (Cloud Strife)

2017.02.19
12849654 2v2 Guiroma: 7th Heaven (Alexander the Great+Cid Highwind) defeated Dutch Forever (Master B+Lothorien)
12940421 1v1 Volcano Island: Lu Fredd (Lucien Müller) defeated German Warlords (Janine)

2017.02.21
12869157 2v2 Guiroma: 7th Heaven (Alexander the Great+Cid Highwind) defeated Preußen Garde (Olkani+Angi)

2017.02.22
12849653 2v2 Guiroma: Lu Fredd (max+kalati) defeated German Warlords (Corvus5+Thoabear)
12905913 1v1 Guiroma: Dutch Forever (surfpizza) defeated Preußen Garde (Olkani)

2017.02.23
12927775 1v1 Guiroma: German Warlords (m7) defeated Preußen Garde (Olkani)
12856027 1v1 Guiroma: Dutch Forever (surfpizza) defeated CORP (Tjoex)

2017.02.25
12843233 3v3 Deadman's Rome: 7th Heaven (Jenova+Zack Fair+Red XIII) defeated German Warlords (Suschel+FC Bayern+Thoabear)














Commentary

7th Heaven finally took a hit! This happened on the slow Volcano Island tournament. This might be a fluke, or it might be a template where Preußen Garde will really bite - and they will need these points badly.

First game on the 3v3 template has finished and this is, as seen above, 7th Heaven's victory over Prussian Guard.

CORP's start to be really slow... this week only had an upset on 1v1 Guiroma and now it's a clan with second least amount of points. I really hope we'll see more wins soon. It's the only clan that didn't finish a game on 1v1 Volcano Island, but maybe slowness is caution.

Dutch has a week with two wins from 1v1 Guiroma (including one against CORP!) and "only" one loss on 2v2 Guiroma, so it's not a horrible week for them.

Preußen Garde also has a two wins on one template, which is Volcano Island, but also catches three losses from one player.

German Warlords generally keep losing (except on 1v1 Guiroma), while Lu Fredd finishes only two games, both being wins against the Germans.

Overally - we saw two upsets here, but the general tendencies are continuing there. German Warlords do poorly, 7th Heaven does too well. Lu Fredd manages to not lose too much yet (we'll see how long), [NL] is behind on max points, and CORP and Preußen are just middling.

Edited 2/26/2017 15:44:13
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/27/2017 01:28:08

Cid Highwind
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Just curious, what do you mean by we're doing "too well?" :)
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 2/27/2017 01:29:59


Onoma94 
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Just winning everything. :P

Edited 2/27/2017 01:35:23
Clan League 9: Qualifier Q2 - Official Thread: 3/4/2017 20:57:55


LeQuébécois_Benoit
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Cmon CORP! Stop being booted and win what you got left!
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