Another is stopping illegal immigration.

how is he doing that? well if the fact that he makes the USA look like a loony bin decreases overall foreign sympathies for your country and therefor decreases immigration, he might be successful! but you must admit that a wall, which will never be build, because no one will pay for it, wouldnt change anything at all especially in terms of prevent illegal immigration.

I just gave you examples of bad sides. People throwing temper tantrums and questioning the point of democracy if they don't get their way in elections.

really, after all this bullshit, trump came up with, you are concerned about resistance from the opposition? =D I mean, you cant blame those people for being outraged, because this must be the natural reaction to most things that trump does. btw. I saw temper tantrums on both sides. at least republicans had the most outlandish and hilarious reasons. like protesters shouting: *social justice and obamacare is killing my family* or simply *lets kill this whore!*

CNN posting fake news like Trump hiring hookers to pee on the bed where Barack and Michelle Obama had slept previously.

first of all which news? sources or it didnt happen! and after all the bullshit/fake news/alternative facts that trump selled the world - this is actually at least conceivable. I wouldnt be shocked at all if this is true.

BLM is a lunatic organization and comparable to the KKK.

and trump is related to the KKK......

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Drumpfettes on the other hand just wanted their dimwitted, angry, irrational, illogical voices to be heard.

-Wally Balls

you just described yourself, lad

how is he doing that? well if the fact that he makes the USA look like a loony bin decreases overall foreign sympathies for your country and therefor decreases immigration

It is Germany and Sweden that look like loony bins for accepting all the ISIS fighters and giving them welfare money. Anybody looks like Einstein in comparison.

really, after all this bullshit, trump came up with, you are concerned about resistance from the opposition? =D

So it's no big deal in a democracy if a big chunk of a major party wants to ignore the will of the people? In Germany, they have a party with 1% support that would like to overthrow democracy, and they tried to outlaw it, didn't they?

first of all which news? sources or it didnt happen! and after all the bullshit/fake news/alternative facts that trump selled the world - this is actually at least conceivable. I wouldnt be shocked at all if this is true.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/twitter-is-drowning-in-a-goldenshower/news-story/17f297c7c86510cf986011201ab88d85
Well aren't you a friend of fake news? It's ok for CNN to print fake news because they COULD be true!

How are you still on the bottom of the ladder after a run like this?

I've spent almost a year on the ladder not even playing the game. Pretty soon I'm going to float to the top because I'm actually playing now.

I defeated my arch enemy Clint Eastwood, whom has blacklisted me and whose maps I've slandered.

fizzer will oppress you with his atheism. my brother once tried the same thing.

It is Germany and Sweden that look like loony bins for accepting all the ISIS fighters and giving them welfare money. Anybody looks like Einstein in comparison.

First of all, Germany and Sweden give welfare money to refugees, not to ISIS fighters. You may not be able to distinguish those totally contrary terms, but let me assure it is not the same.
Anyhow there are national and international treaties, rules and rights like human rights, the Geneva Refugee Convention from 1958 and its extension from 1967. Where one aspect was "to grant the same legal status to all refugees who corresponded to the description contained in the agreement [..]"
Fortunately some countries and their governments still have dignity and some moral standards, to provide aid for those who are desperately in need.

In Germany, they have a party with 1% support that would like to overthrow democracy, and they tried to outlaw it, didn't they?

Which party? dont know whats the point here. German parties are outlawed for very few and good reasons. which is when they are criminal organizations or against the German constitution. but still, what is the point here?

Well aren't you a friend of fake news? It's ok for CNN to print fake news because they COULD be true!

you quoted an Australian rag not CNN... Is it ok for the president of the united states to spread fake news in 60% the time he opens his mendacious mouth?

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For me Ranek, it stems from a hatred of the cookie-cutter dime-a-dozen candidates. Same positions, intervene in more wars, "cut taxes", "improve urban development", and so forth. And they're notoriously corrupt people.

Trump was a wild card. A chance for something entirely new. A shift from the poor policies of George Bush and the mixed policies of Barack Obama. He showed me how far the political establishment despised change.
In the race for the candidacy, even the Republicans admitted he had nobody holding him back. He wasn't tied down to the backdoor dealings of an interest group. He had no ties to the Republican party (which keep in mind, is a private organization). And when he won, every American news channel turned against him. Even the conservative Fox News, which became a joke over the past years of information bias, chose Clinton over Trump. Trump was speaking to people, and the way people reacted; "How DARE he provide to the average American citizen!". Calling him a "fascist" or "white supremacist" didn't take away from Trump. The absolute arrogance of the media declaring it a landslide a month before the election, glossing over the violence inflicted on those who said they liked him. Merely liking a candidate became an insult.
"Oh, you're just a stupid Trump supporter"- Wally Balls

In the end, I chose Trump because his promises weren't held back by any group, any organization, any behind-the-scene exchanges. He had nobody to rein him in, which meant he could deliver on those promises. Also, fuck political correctness. Because when you call about 45% of a democracy's population Nazis, racists, bullies, deplorables, sexists, and misogynists , you devalue what the word means.


PS: TPP and NAFTA are bad.
Also, why did foreign leaders who criticized American involvement in all global affairs criticize Trump for wanting to not intervene?

First of all, Germany and Sweden give welfare money to refugees, not to ISIS fighters.

Germany gives welfare money to known ISIS fighters, not just refugees. And at least 70% of the "refugees" don't fulfill the criteria of the Geneva Convention, probably a lot more.

Which party? dont know whats the point here. German parties are outlawed for very few and good reasons. which is when they are criminal organizations or against the German constitution. but still, what is the point here?

The NPD. I mean, trying to overthrow democracy for any reason would merit a ban of a party as far as I'm concerned. But if it's leftists wanting to do that, then it's OK I guess.

you quoted an Australian rag not CNN... Is it ok for the president of the united states to spread fake news in 60% the time he opens his mendacious mouth?

The Australian rag explains it better and has a link to the original CNN article. The original article didn't mention the hookers in its textual part, just gave a link to the original source in Buzzfeed and treated it as credible. So yes, I gave you everything you need to verify the story.

after all the bullshit/fake news/alternative facts that trump selled the world - this is actually at least conceivable. I wouldnt be shocked at all if this is true.

Btw this is exactly the reasoning that Goebbels used to justify treating the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as truth even though he knew the book was a fabrication. You say you are against the nazis, but you have an awful lot in common with them.

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And they're notoriously corrupt people.

all big businessmen and politicians both, and so what?

He showed me how far the political establishment despised change.

yep by being the same old thing over and over again.

He wasn't tied down to the backdoor dealings of an interest group. In the end, I chose Trump because his promises weren't held back by any group, any organization, any behind-the-scene exchanges.

don't be naive.

He had no ties to the Republican party (which keep in mind, is a private organization).

and yet was upheld as the one Republican representer by the Republican Party organisation hmmm

every American news channel turned against him.

he controles the news, and he wants to hold his public image of him being an outlaw cool dude independent aw yeah fighting the LEFTIST SCUM aw yeah !

the way people reacted; "How DARE he provide to the average American citizen!"

pretty sure noone ever said that. nice strawman, k...oh wait you really are one.

Because when you call about 45% of a democracy's population Nazis, racists, bullies, deplorables, sexists, and misogynists , you devalue what the word means.

who's calling this? and furthermore, linguistic deflation is done by literally everyone, and is not a reason to vote in a well-spoken Hitler. I mean this with the least offence, but you sound unbelievably stupid when one of your arguments is that your strawmen are not well-spoken.

TPP and NAFTA are bad.

yes, giving jobs to those who need it are very bad and increasing the competition sphere is very bad, oh yes indeed. btw Clinton I'm pretty sure were against these as well so no point to make here either way.

why did foreign leaders who criticized American involvement in all global affairs criticize Trump for wanting to not intervene?

? nothing's changed, Chinese and Indian still hate American rightfully so

It's the jobs, Ranek. He's basically a center right cloaked in left wing populism.

Tbh, I supported him over Clinton, for me it was just pragmitism.

A refugee crisis or migration wave the USA is most and forward responsible for, don't you think?

Yes, and I disagree with most US foreign policy decisions, and this was bad, but as Sweden shows, migrants can create unruly enclaves that can cause crime and rioting.

what is so bad about obamacare? do you guys even realize that a state healthcare is even a great and in general efficient business model?

Well even if that was true, which I doubt (give it time; state planned systems have limited lifespans), Obamacare isn't state planned healthcare.

and trump is related to the KKK......

He's not, this is completely bunk.

Fortunately some countries and their governments still have dignity and some moral standards, to provide aid for those who are desperately in need.

Governments don't have dignity, tsh

And tsh, these are non-refugee migrant pricks who take advantage of the system. There are some refugees of course, but most of these people are migrants.

Tbh, it's pretty funny seeing a hard statist German. If you want to see the fate of the huge governments you lot have constructed over the years, just look at the Battle of Berlin.

In the race for the candidacy, even the Republicans admitted he had nobody holding him back. He wasn't tied down to the backdoor dealings of an interest group. [..]
In the end, I chose Trump because his promises weren't held back by any group, any organization, any behind-the-scene exchanges.

oh come on. he owns a billion dollar organization and unashamedly abused his office for advertisement for his family organization. furthermore most of his cabinet consists of lobbyists. not to mention shady deals with foreign governments in favour for his own benefits.

He had nobody to rein him in, which meant he could deliver on those promises.

which promises? he doesnt make definite statements.

PS: TPP and NAFTA are bad.

agree on TTIP, but his entire policy so far only showed his lack of understanding for globalization or society/social structures. He is only interested in his own welfare and everyone else are means for the purpose. and therefore TTIP was luckily sacrificed for the wrong reasons.

Germany gives welfare money to known ISIS fighters, not just refugees. And at least 70% of the "refugees" don't fulfill the criteria of the Geneva Convention, probably a lot more.

source!

The NPD. I mean, trying to overthrow democracy for any reason would merit a ban of a party as far as I'm concerned. But if it's leftists wanting to do that, then it's OK I guess.

first of all. this has nothing to do with trump. and second you are utterly wrong and have no clue what you are talking about. in german (BRD) history was only one party banned for *trying to overthrow democracy* which was the KPD the communistic party of germany. it is rather the complete opposite of your depiction!

The Australian rag explains it better and has a link to the original CNN article.

and you still quoted a rag, a source with a source with a source and so on is no source! otherwise we can start to use wikipedia as source. so as long as you dont show me a source it didnt happen ...

Btw this is exactly the reasoning that Goebbels used to justify treating the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as truth even though he knew the book was a fabrication. You say you are against the nazis, but you have an awful lot in common with them.

not sure where this came from... inspiration a priori?

Maybe everyone has the government it deserves. I just like to know what this farce is all about. =D

I guess there is no point in providing sources since even if I do, you don't want to read them. Google it if you want.

With regards to the NPD, they at least had a trial with the intention of banning them. I don't see anyone trying to outlaw the Democratic Party or parts of it.

not sure where this came from... inspiration a priori?

Maybe everyone has the government it deserves. I just like to know what this farce is all about. =D

In a democracy like the US, yes. Unlike in the EU, where the unelected bureaucrat Jean-Claude Juncker calls the democratically elected prime minister of Hungary, Victor Orban, a dictator for not following the insane EU refugee policies. The Irish loan package was another immemorable event where, after the Irish people voted no, the EU made them vote again! In the light of this, I would imagine you have bigger problems than the US populace voting wrong, no?

In the light of this, I would imagine you have bigger problems than the US populace voting wrong, no?

and still this thread is about supporting trump. I really dont know why this is so hard to get.. If your support is based on a childish blame game, you may dont even know yourself why you chose your political point of view.

With regards to the NPD, they at least had a trial with the intention of banning them. I don't see anyone trying to outlaw the Democratic Party or parts of it.

the trial is for good reasons, like commited acts of violence, murder and subversion. we wouldnt have a functional right system, if those crimes wouldnt be charged. The SPD has nothing in common with any kind of felonies like this. Your statement only reveals some fascistic and chauvinistic tendencies, which you should really consider to rethink.

I guess there is no point in providing sources since even if I do, you don't want to read them.

dont blame others if you are not able to make a citation properly.

Google it if you want.

still no source!

and still this thread is about supporting trump. I really dont know why this is so hard to get.. If your support is based on a childish blame game, you may dont even know yourself why you chose your political point of view.

If you want to keep this thread about genuine interest why people chose Trump, then why do you constantly attack people when they tell why? And why do you lament that people get the government they deserve, implying that the US chose wrong?

the trial is for good reasons, like commited acts of violence, murder and subversion. we wouldnt have a functional right system, if those crimes wouldnt be charged. The SPD has nothing in common with any kind of felonies like this. Your statement only reveals some fascistic and chauvinistic tendencies, which you should really consider to rethink.

If I'd meant the SPD, I would have said the *Social* Democratic Party. I was referring to a party in the USA, called the Democratic Party. Ever heard of them? Anyway, the leftist anger after Trump win in the states has certainly included demands of deposing Trump, the democratically elected president, and violence on the streets. I'd be surprised if nobody has died as a result of leftist rage in the recent months.

Trump had new ideas and was much more charismatic than Clinton. It's as simple as that IMO. Charisma wins elections.

Also, fuck political correctness. Because when you call about 45% of a democracy's population Nazis, racists, bullies, deplorables, sexists, and misogynists , you devalue what the word means.

It's incivility (not political correctness). I don't see too much difference between Muslims who ask people not to assume that they are terrorists and Republicans who ask people not to assume that they are racist. Insert whatever stereotype of any other group you want to add.

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Trump had new ideas

which ideas have been new and appealing to you?

Charisma wins elections.

Im not sure if I would call a racist, molesting, senile douche-bag-grandfather with clear megalomania and almost zero understanding for politics charismatic, but this might be only my personal impression.

I thought Trump was a terrible choice for president and didn't vote for him.

Trump had new ideas


which ideas have been new and appealing to you?

The idea that:

-Open borders are retarded

-Muslim "refugees" i.e. economic migrants are a categorical negative, leading to increased spending, derailment of social cohesion, and cultural warfare on one's own soil.

The neocons include GWB and John McCain are completely in bed with the idea of mass immigration and Islamization of the West.

-NATO countries should pay for their own militaries instead of leeching off America (Europe regains some degree of sovereignty and control over its Western destiny)

-Strongarming China one of our greatest enemies

Honestly his entire platform was built on new ideas. The neocons/neolibs are the old guard plutocrats.

Im not sure if I would call a racist, molesting, senile douche-bag-grandfather with clear megalomania and almost zero understanding for politics charismatic, but this might be only my personal impression.

I am a racialist so correct me if I'm wrong but all the Democrats seem to be capable of is racebaiting. You'd need only compare race relations before and after Obama. It is the politicians' and the media's dishonesty that has provoked and supported mass riots.

I AM a racialist but Trump and the Right meet where we concede that the race war perpetuated by the left is inauthentic and is inwardly motivated by the desired destruction of white America, and it is only useful insofar as it isolated the two sides - this has already been accomplished. Otherwise there's no reason, as a white person, to submit to a regime that always acts against your interests. When Trump, who, unlike the Democrats actually does believe in multiracialism while not vehemently opposing white interest, ends up dividing the country anyway, then he is the ideal political leader for that transition.

The other stuff you said was just sophistry so I just ignored it.