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MDL Template Changes: 5/18/2017 02:45:37


Master of the Dead 
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We're going to try to improve the templates used on the Multi Day Ladder(MDL). I've decided to approach this in three phases:
  • Phase 1 - Remove templates from the ladder

    I'll collect feedback from the community using this poll (open until the end of the month) - https://goo.gl/OoZ2Rh
    Some templates are considered too unique or mainstream and will not be considered for this poll. The mainstream templates are necessary to attract new players. The unique templates add a novelty factor.

    These responses will be evaluated by a template panel. They will vote on the templates to be removed. Please provide reasonable explanations on why you think a specific template is not worthy. We're looking to get rid of templates which satisfy any of these criteria:
    • Have broken/confusing connections
    • Poor map visibility
    • Every game plays out the same way.
    • Same forced picks on every board.
    • Unbalanced or heavily luck based

    Unique Templates : MA Battle Islands V, Georgia Army Cap,  Greece LD, Macedonia no split
                       Snowy Mountains MA, Elitist Africa, Randomized Strat ME
    
    Mainstream Templates : Battle Islands V, China, Guiroma, Strat ME, French Brawl 
                           Strat MME, Strat Greece, Treasure map

  • Phase 2 - Make changes to existing templates if they can be improved.
    As we're going through phase 1, you can also suggest tweaks to the existing templates(including unique and mainstream templates) on this thread. The template panel will evaluate these changes and vote on them as well. If possible, submit an example game with your proposed changes, so we can see how it plays out.

  • Phase 3 - Add new templates to the ladder
    You can also submit new templates for MDL on this thread(with an example game)


  • In the interest of transparency, I wont be on this template panel.
  • If you believe you are experienced on MDL and want to be a part of the template panel, reach out to me. You must have access to Skype as that is where these discussions will take place.
  • I'll try to keep this panel down to 10 members at a maximum.
  • Thanks to Beren for making the poll.
  • I've done this on a separate forum thread as there were complaints that the last poll was not very visible. Please up-vote this thread so it is noticed by those who would like to participate in this exercise.


Thanks for participating on MDL!

Edited 5/18/2017 03:09:37
MDL Template Changes: 5/18/2017 02:50:28


Master of the Dead 
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If you think I've missed any template in the unique or mainstream category, please point that out as soon as possible.
MDL Template Changes: 5/18/2017 15:47:58


timon92 
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I'm surprised Season XV isn't in the ladder yet.

Example game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6611471
MDL Template Changes: 5/18/2017 15:57:53

TBest 
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Since it is not clear in the OP post. Will the results of the poll be public? (So that if a template is being suggested for removal, others can give input/defend it? Before the panel makes the ultimate decision ofc.)
MDL Template Changes: 5/18/2017 17:07:52


Master of the Dead 
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Since it is not clear in the OP post. Will the results of the poll be public? (So that if a template is being suggested for removal, others can give input/defend it? Before the panel makes the ultimate decision ofc.)
The comments will be shared with the template panel and their decision will be public. People are free to make their recommendations on this thread as well to start a discussion and convince others.
MDL Template Changes: 5/18/2017 18:29:20


aoc
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Suggestions for unique Templates:

Modify one of the MA Templates to neutrals greater than one and include warlords because it promotes calculating/predicting the size of a moving stack after a few moves and leads to greater variety in the search for the most effective moving paths.

Include a LD Autodistribution Template on an more open map than Greece e.g. British Raj or Belarus which includes a not to infrequent Airlift Card because its madness and madness is fun.
MDL Template Changes: 5/18/2017 18:49:05


Edge
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I like timon's suggestion of adding Poland. I think that's a template that could fit quite good into the MDL, since it's a template that u need to play differently as others as well.
MDL Template Changes: 5/18/2017 20:50:21


AWESOMEGUY 
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@aoc, Neutrals of 1 are the prime number for MA. Any higher and you have to start bumping up income (both neutrals kill 2 armies, but neutrals of 2 require an extra army to take), and increasing income becomes problematic since it becomes easier to attack the entire map in one turn. Neutrals of 2 are definitely viable settings, but both templates (Snowy Mountains especially) are tailored towards neutrals of 1. The templates cannot be modified to include neutrals of 2 without overhauling the entire template.

On the subject of warlords, BIV already has in-dist neutrals set to 4. I agree that bumping in-dist neutrals in Snowy Mountains might be a good modification in order to limit expansion further.
MDL Template Changes: 5/20/2017 00:43:28


Master of the Dead 
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Only 6 responses so far. This is your chance to bring about change on MDL. Use it!
MDL Template Changes: 5/20/2017 01:08:44


Quicksilver
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I hope that you don't kick Cat Fight. I know it's disliked by some, but it's the first WR template that I like. WR seems very well suited to it.
MDL Template Changes: 5/24/2017 03:36:21


AWESOMEGUY 
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All MME-style templates must be purged!
MDL Template Changes: 5/24/2017 08:28:24


Ƨillynamenace
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Do we have any template with Limited Full Distribution? I can't discern.
MDL Template Changes: 5/24/2017 12:09:45


Pardon99
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MDL Template Changes: 5/24/2017 13:27:49


Ƨillynamenace
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Maybe it's my fault, but by "Limited Full Distribution" I meant the distribution option where the total number of territories available to pick equals 2 times the initial number of territories each player receives.

Yeah it's probably my fault.

So none of the templates you mention exemplifies the distribution option I have in mind.

But this one (Great Lakes) does: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9132887

There are 16 territories. Each player receives 8. This allows you to know the starting territories of your enemy.

So, do we have any such template on the MDL? If not, I'd suggest to include one. Great Lakes might be a good option, for instance.
MDL Template Changes: 5/24/2017 14:56:11


Njord 
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there are none lfd temps on the mdl your right
MDL Template Changes: 5/24/2017 15:15:08


AWESOMEGUY 
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Confused FLD, thought it was more broadly defined than just 2x the number of picks.

Edited 5/24/2017 16:07:23
MDL Template Changes: 5/30/2017 06:40:53

Nemo
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I would doubt in Land of Aus (Australia). It has very unbalanced bonuses, which are not separated by different colors. Superbonus system is just to be ignored, as it is hard to see and hardly possible to get.
MDL Template Changes: 5/30/2017 07:15:10


Master of the Dead 
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Only 10 responses so far(AG, THE AWESOME OTTERYCAT, Muli, MotD, Edge, krunx, LeQuébécois_Benoit, Njord, Wakanarai, MoD) which is quite disappointing :|

I'll close the poll in 48 hours.

Edited 5/30/2017 07:15:26
MDL Template Changes: 5/30/2017 07:22:10


Quicksilver
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Sorry about my submission :P

I didn't read your explanation carefully enough! lol
MDL Template Changes: 5/30/2017 08:04:30


TheRiverStyxie 
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Did mine not go through? I definitely submitted one!
MDL Template Changes: 5/30/2017 08:06:58


Master of the Dead 
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Did mine not go through? I definitely submitted one!


Make sure you pick the "None" option after you have chosen all the templates you wish to remove. This will "submit" your vote.
MDL Template Changes: 5/30/2017 10:56:17


master of desaster 
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Yeah that almost got me as well
MDL Template Changes: 5/31/2017 08:51:37


Ƨillynamenace
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Only 10 responses so far(AG, THE AWESOME OTTERYCAT, Muli, MotD, Edge, krunx, LeQuébécois_Benoit, Njord, Wakanarai, MoD) which is quite disappointing :|



My guess: There are MDL players who are okay with having what's being provided to them, because they have a confidence in the way things are arranged (on the MDL) and because they feel they lack a sort of a critical understanding of the templates that'd let them suggest some changes.

I'm one of them. And it's a fair guess to think that there may be other players who share these thoughts.

The point: Don't get disappointed. Having 10 responses doesn't imply that noone cares about making improvements in the MDL.
MDL Template Changes: 6/9/2017 12:32:36


Ƨillynamenace
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So, how's it going?
MDL Template Changes: 6/9/2017 15:32:54


Master of the Dead 
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The guys are talking among each other. I'll report back once they finish :p
MDL Template Changes: 6/11/2017 10:41:55

Nemo
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You not used to guys tacking to each other? Oh yeah, those whom you master, dont talk :P
MDL Template Changes: 6/11/2017 14:49:28

Brotherdan
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Reading just now, but I put myself in the Ƨillynamenace category.

REALLY apreciating your work, enjoyng the ladder a lot, but feeling to puny to even think about modifications. :-)
MDL Template Changes: 7/10/2017 09:44:43


Master of the Dead 
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Thank you to everyone who weighed in with their suggestions. A template panel of 8 players has discussed all of the suggestions and decided to make the following changes.

For detailed comments from the panel, see - https://goo.gl/uwv6js



Edited 7/10/2017 09:49:45
MDL Template Changes: 7/10/2017 11:28:18


krunx 
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Here is my opinion on Phobia and EA&O:

Phobia is played as SR in CL. EA&O is played with SR in rt-ladder. I know some do prefer WR, but in general it is a very bad idea to have such changes in the template, as not all will notify them. I would prefer to remove these templates and add in new ones.

Edited 7/10/2017 11:28:42
MDL Template Changes: 7/10/2017 14:27:30


TheRiverStyxie 
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Please don't ruin blacksea with super bonuses :( It's fine as it is imo
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