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Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/1/2017 21:22:43

[WOLF]Andrew
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Trump has announced that he plans to pull us Americans out of the Paris Climate Accord. Again he proves his stubborn inability to act on the facts regarding the danger of global warming. He claims it's all about jobs when more people are employed in clean energy than coal, and we must go America First. I guess that means letting China, which "rapes us" (his words) take the lead in economic development in clean energy.
But luckily I live in Ohio far from any ocean. (That is sarcasm)
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/1/2017 21:28:54


Жұқтыру
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his stubborn inability


Don't blame the hand for the brain.

And the brain knows it's wrong, but the brain does what's best for itself, which is getting paid (at the cost of tens of thousands of lives).
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/1/2017 22:20:23


Emperor Justinian
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About time.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/1/2017 23:20:20


OxTheAutist 
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people who don't believe in climate change are becoming more and more of a minority.

soon you'll be like the Westboro Baptist Church- a bunch of eejits who believe lies and have no real power

but for now we have to deal with the last power-grab of the fact-denying bampots who've gone out in a fit of rage.

Trump won't break the environment, especially since India and China are making huge steps in reversing, or at least mitigating climate change.

i hope that ferret on his head dies from air pollution.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 00:26:25


#TrumpTrain
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Sorry Mr. President, but I can't support this decision.

I'm all for taking measures to stop the crippling of various industries just to shut up those alarmist "the sky is falling"-type people. But there are much better ways of doing that than just out right pulling out of the agreement. Renegotiating it should've been the first step taken. It's obvious that the original benchmarks set by the Obama administration for the US reduction in carbon emissions are way too ambitious and costly to businesses. That said, none of the provisions were set to go into effect until 2020 so there was plenty of wiggle room to renegotiate and get a better deal for America (which was your intention, Mr. President).

Unfortunately, it is clear that the climate science-denying wing of the party has gotten the President's ear and that despite what he says, he has no desire to renegotiate the American place in the Paris Accord.

On the bright side, American taxpayers won't have to foot the bill for less advanced countries to start going green and our tremendous businesses won't have to deal with crippling regulations and will be able to create more jobs. JOBS JOBS JOBS!

Edited 6/2/2017 00:40:11
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 00:46:06


Emperor Justinian
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^^Of course I believe the climate can change.

Edited 6/2/2017 00:46:18
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 01:52:11


Darth Darth Binks
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Hi there. Western PA man speaking.

Mr. President, you cannot bring back coal jobs to places that have no coal anymore. Please work towards more efficient, and less expensive clean energy.

Thanks.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 02:01:37


Жұқтыру
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umm Donald Trump doesn't read the fora
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 03:02:15


Clint Eastwood 
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As far as you know.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 03:39:06


TeamGuns 
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Terrible for the environnement, and a geopolitical fuck up. Trump is with his non-sense giving up many geopolitical assets America had. Pissing off old allies in Europe and blowing up the Saudis, giving room for China and Russia to promote their core agendas, leaving the Paris accord, ... Trump is weakening the US position in the world by each day that goes by.

But really, I won't complain, I totally support Trump's crusade to make America a third world country again! With a weaker America, the world may finally get more peaceful, and it seems like it's gonna strenghen Europe into taking a more proactive position in the world as the new center of western values. Even the environnement may be fine if China, and the EU decide to accelerate the push for stronger environnemental policies...
- downvoted post by Taylor Amber Mason
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 05:07:21

[POLEN]The Bagels Are DEAD
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France is fine now that all the Bagels are DEAD
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 11:50:03


Emperor Justinian
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^Are you going to start claiming Bagels were deleted?

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Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 12:45:42


Zephyrum 
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Am with TG here, anything that sidelines 'merica is great on the long term.

That aside, it wasn't as big of a fuckup as people make it - he'd still have to cut a fuckload of taxes for the US to be worth staying in for big business (the main source of the issue), China and India are still far superior choices in that aspect.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 13:42:56


Japanball
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^^Good idea
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 15:05:29


Japanball
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Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 15:42:59


Cata Cauda
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But really, I won't complain, I totally support Trump's crusade to make America a third world country again! With a weaker America, the world may finally get more peaceful, and it seems like it's gonna strenghen Europe into taking a more proactive position in the world as the new center of western values. Even the environnement may be fine if China, and the EU decide to accelerate the push for stronger environnemental policies...

^THIS

A third world USA would only help the world. They have been useful in the past, but now they serve no purpose anymore.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 15:55:39


{Canidae} Kretoma
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Which is good. Anything to greatly reduce worlds economy by removing all the waistfull inefficient industries.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 16:17:52


Cata Cauda
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A weaker America leads to more wars, believe me.

I don't want a weak America, just a weak USA.

Also the US caused more wars than it solved it. Do you wanna deny that?
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 16:21:35


Carlos
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Tabby, you are labeling people. "peafowls", "STEM", "caninist"...

Reducing someone ideas, morals, concepts to a label is a falacy.

If i dont agree with your ideas, i cant just say "because tabby is autist".
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 19:34:44


Жұқтыру
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I have to agree with Tabby on this one. Power always finds a place to find it's head. Furthermore this only strengthens USA as dirty energy is cheaper, less money wasted, and relatively few lives (in USA) killed from it.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 21:20:01


Ranek
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people who don't believe in climate change are becoming more and more of a minority.

Of course I believe the climate can change.




Of course it does, everything else is utter nonsense, but the whole thing is not about climate change, which is a constant process until the earth dies. It rather is about global warming due to the anthropogenic influence on increasing CO2 emissions - which is still uncertain from a scientific point of view. But obviously fossil fuels are a limited resources and will soon be spent, which is the real issue here. Marching blind and unprepared towards this global catastrophe can only be a valid choice for the most retarded asshole on this planet!
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 21:43:08

[WOLF]Andrew
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Sounds like Trump to me
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 22:10:05


OxTheAutist 
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Of course I believe the climate can change.

this is the cutest recent stunt of those of whom who like to spit in the face of the scientific consensus.

"Of course the climate changes, but humans aren't responsible for it!"

I guess it's just a coincidence that the change of the global climate has been completely in line with the planet's population puking out CO2 faster than you can say "Bush did 9/11".
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 22:55:52


Eklipse
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You people are very foolish.

You think American hegemony is bad? Wait until Russia and China fill the power gap. I'm tempted to make an entire thread dedicated to showing you how much the world would go to crap if the U.S collapses. Honestly, if you think life for everyone is going to improve with a failed United States you're unbelievably ignorant.

As for the Paris Agreement, the intent is nice but in practice the entire thing is garbage. For starters, it's non-binding. There's nothing that forces signers to comply and nothing to prevent nations from lying about their progress. Secondly, what on Earth is making people praise China as some environmental savior? They have the largest pollution output in the world, and it's growing rapidly. Their major cities are choking in smog and often the air quality descends to levels that are medically dangerous. If China is the nation you've chosen to lead the world into an environmentally friendly future we are all certifiably boned.

I want to fight climate change, but the Paris Agreement was a load of bogus. A bunch of feel-good sentiment that accomplished nothing overall.

Edited 6/2/2017 22:56:18
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 23:15:52


Жұқтыру
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You think American hegemony is bad? Wait until Russia and China fill the power gap.


There is no magic powder in the USA that makes it more moral and better than if any other state filled it

Secondly, what on Earth is making people praise China as some environmental savior?


the muchness they invest in clean energies.

Edited 6/2/2017 23:16:44
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/2/2017 23:20:13


Eklipse
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I didn't say the U.S was inherently better, but a quick look at Russia and China's domestic and foreign policies should be enough to show anyone that their dominance would only be of equal suffering if not worse.

"The muchness they invest in clean energies"

Yeah, how's that been working so far? Their cities are buried in air pollution and most of their major rivers suffer from heavy contamination.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/3/2017 00:11:06


Ranek
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You think American hegemony is bad?

since when is this thread about whether or not American hegemony is bad?

how much the world would go to crap if the U.S collapses.

the world didn't go to crap when the USSR collapsed. although people would argue with that..

Secondly, what on Earth is making people praise China as some environmental savior? They have the largest pollution output in the world, and it's growing rapidly.


and Trump got their backs now. great! lets gamble the economic future and bet on the decrepit nag and support coal mining rather than renewable energy sources. that's the new revolutionary American way, these days. you guys supposed to be pointing the way. but nobody will follow a sinking ship.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/3/2017 00:33:36


TeamGuns 
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In terms of environnemental policies, China beats the US any day. True, they pollute twice as much as America, but guess what, there's 4 times more people living in China than in America.

Americans thus pollute twice as much as China. And then, the Chinese at least believe that the climate is changing and that it's a problem, where does America stand? China has also the first position when it comes to total environnemental spending, as a % of the GDP it's also way ahead of America.

Oh and yea, America being weaker in the international stage is definetly a good thing, the country was the world's leading superpower since WW2, and coincidentaly, everytime something went bad America was envolved into some extent.

It's inevitable that the American position is condemned to shrink with all the emerging countries. The only thing that Trump could do is to slow down the process or accelerate it depending on which policies he decided to put forwards. It seems more and more like your president choose the second option...

I won't make the case that Russia or China are better, because they are not. But it's very well possible that a more equilibrated world stage ends up being more stable.
Let Us Discuss Paris: 6/3/2017 00:36:51


Eklipse
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Power vacuums are never stable. The loss of the world's leading superpower will always cause instability and chaos.
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