the difference between the regions moros u mentioned and the uk divison is that each one have a national football team if u have a natinal football team u must be a nation because u allowed to play with other countries also wales,scotland and england and northern ireland are an alliance not a nation like flanders and wallon make states of belgium or as germany has states make up it's country.

http://www.wales.com/en/content/cms/faqs/faqs.aspx
this proves wales is a country not a principality moros but in a union this is wales own website
scotland is country too source
Image URL: http://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-w...
Go to Page: http://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-w...England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are all countries that together make up the sovereign state of the United Kingdom.
i could go on adding links and evidence but one more thing to tell you a country can only have a national football team scotland, england and wales have one

the uk is a union not a country moros
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constituent_country

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland[note 5] (commonly known as the United Kingdom, the UK or Britain) is a sovereign state located off the north-western coast of continental Europe.

That's what Wikipedia tells about it.

And, according to your definition, a soccer team makes a nation? Well I bet there are plenty of nations in eastern Europe, south-east Asia, Oceania, and around the Caribbean Sea that don't have national soccer teams! And I think Scotland only has it own soccer team because they were the first national soccer team in the world, and in that time, Scotland was independent.
Wikipedia:

Scotland maintains its own national side that competes in all major professional tournaments with the exception of the Olympic Games, as Scotland is not a member of the International Olympic Committee.

So, a lot of sports, but not on the Olympic games? The biggest international sports event in the world? Don't call nations nations because it says so on the title.
Count how many countries call themselves something they are not! Examples are spread around space and time, varying from the People's Republic of China, where people can't say anything, to the DDR, the Deutsche Demokratische Republik! That was East Germany, everything but democratic if you ask me.

So my definition of a country is a place in the world with population, land area, a government, has been recognized by more than 50% of the UN, and is a member of the UN itself. And Scotland fails at the last two points.

Germany is made up of sixteen Länder (singular Land, colloquially (but rarely in a legal context) called Bundesland, for "federated state") which are partly sovereign constituent states of the Federal Republic of Germany. Land literally translates as "country", and constitutionally speaking, they are constituent countries. Often referred to in English by German speakers as "states", the term "Land" (with an uppercase 'L') is used in the official English version of the Basic Law[1] and in UK parliamentary proceedings.[2] However, it is sometimes translated as "federal states" in other publications.[3]

Wikipedia on States of Germany

And, last argument: on all maps of Europe and of the world the UK is ong country, not three or four. Just as Germany.

@Moros, If by the 'plenty of nations in eastern Europe, south-east Asia, Oceania, and around the Caribbean Sea that don't have national soccer teams' you mean The Marshall Islands you are right.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/four_nations_01.shtml

the uk's own national broadcaster states that britain is made up of 4 countries. they have a treay which gives a parliment drawing from all 4 countries power over foregin policy, bugdet and military. somewhat like the feudal system in the states.

Hello,

though its my first post here, i want to support moros. If you look at the history of plenty countries they were merged out of smaller ones. This means they have a similar history and now a kind of the smae federal structure. italy was merged under the leading of sardinia/piemont in the 1850 and was unitited in 1861. Germany was united under prussian leading in the 1860s and was united in 1871. Why should the UK appear on the map different, if the map is designed without federal sub-boni? The meaning of the official name of Germany as a "Bundesrepublik" is also a kind of union ("Bund" = union). Germany has federal and communal units, kind of similar to the uk.

in short: If you split up boni for UK, you should do it for other countries as well.

Besides: the palyers starting in the UK would have an advantage in difference to ofer "continental"players.

sry for my english ;)

@General Michael

So, if the British system is equal to the American system, then I guess we'll have to add 50 extra countries on every map that shows North America.
I don't really care about adding Scotland as a country, I just want to play consistent maps. So, if Scotland is a country, then for example Bavaria in Germany is one too.

You would also have to separate Kosovo from Serbia, which I don't see Loki doing, Flanders and Wallonia from each other, Catalonia and Euskadi from Spain...
In other words, it's a slippery slope, so... Don't. Do. It.

in actual fact they are separate countries under a union and i should no dat because i leave in england not a dutch person saying how they think it is.
also i didn't say a football team make a nation i said if u had a national football team then that means u are a nation.also if germany calls it states countries in translation it dosen't matter.that is in translation that dosen't mean they are countries.
defination of nation
a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own
now wales scotland and england pass that definition

also the un list of countries say Member of the EU.[Note 4] The United Kingdom is a Commonwealth realm[Note 6] consisting of four countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. The United Kingdom has the following overseas territories:
Akrotiri and Dhekelia
Anguilla
Bermuda
British Indian Ocean Territory (disputed by Mauritius and Seychelles)[5]
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Falkland Islands (disputed by Argentina)[5]
Gibraltar (status disputed by Spain)
Montserrat
Pitcairn Islands
Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Turks and Caicos Islands
British Antarctic Territory [Note 9] (disputed by Argentina and Chile)
The British monarch has direct sovereignty over three self-governing Crown dependencies:
Guernsey, with three dependencies:
Alderney
Herm
Sark
Isle of Man
Jersey

4 countries it says now u said i quote:So my definition of a country is a place in the world with population, land area, a government, has been recognized by more than 50% of the UN, and is a member of the UN itself.
now the uk is in un so it means they are in together
they must be recognized by more then 50% if it says 4 countries also my geography teacher agrees with me.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/uk.htm a very influential geography site agrees the uk is union of 4 nations not a singular nation

What does my nationality have to do with this discussion? I could also have been Australian or Monagaskian and it wouldn't matter. What I am trying to say is that Scotland has great independence from the UK, but that doesn't make it equal to France or Romania. And Scotland didn't join the UN, the UK did. That's like saying Manchester joined the UN, or a certain street, or your backyard joined it.
And one question, if Scotland is a single country, are the 50 american states all countries of them own? Don't say that in the face of any american!

And what about North Cyprus? Only Turkey recognizes it, so I wouldn't add it.

Guys, a couple observations:

• It's highly unlikely either one of you will succeed in convincing the other is right.

• It doesn't matter either way; sorry to be blunt about this, but your opinion (and mine, for that matter) barely matters, only L0KI's opinion matters, it's his map after all!

• You are getting very far off-topic here; as far as I care, this thread is supposed to be about the map "Big Europe" (that's what the topic of the thread suggests at least...).

Can we please all:

• "Agree to disagree".

• Let L0KI decide on the matter and live with whatever decision that turns out to be.

• Return this thread to slightly more constructive criticism.

Thank you!

I'd say we're not trying to convince each other, but we're both trying to convince Loki.
:)

@Ironheart

From the same site as you used:

Regarding England, Scotland and Wales, though all are widely considered individual countries, they are all still a part of the United Kingdom (UK), a recognized European country by the United Nations, United States, and others, and therefore included within the United Kingdom on our country list below.

http://www.worldatlas.com/nations.htm

Not before I say that Ironheart's definition is totally impractical. Any group of people can use that definition to claim it is a country. Again: slippery slope.
Also, I just keep finding the line "I leave in England" a little suspicious, and, like Moros said, claiming you know better because you live there is a mad disposition. I can try and convince you that the Netherlands are governed by a Chief Leprechaun from a Limburger marsh, but it's false and any foreigner has every right to say so.
Your story is of course not a lie, let alone such an obvious one, but your current location is not a knock-down argument.