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China and the SAT: 7/25/2017 18:14:36


Padraig
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The SAT or Scholastic Aptitude Test is an exam given to U.S. students contemplating the pursuit a college education. A recent LA Times article describes Chinese reaction to planned changes to the exam.

From the Los Angeles Times:

Chinese students have shown an insatiable appetite for attending U.S. colleges — last year alone, more than 235,000 were enrolled at American institutions of higher education. But now, some in China are grousing that the SAT may impose American values on its best and brightest, who in preparation for the exam might be studying the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights instead of “The Selected Works of Mao Tse-tung.”

“Including content from America's founding documents in a revised U.S. college entry exam has drawn attention in China, with worries the materials may impose the American values system on students,” China’s official New China News Agency said last week.


The inclusion of the documents is intended for an evidence based reading and writing section. By way of contrast the Red Chinese entrance exams include numerous questions on orthodox Marxism as well as Maoist ideology.


Inculcating China’s youth with Communist ideology has always been a key focus of the party, though the task has required greater mental gymnastics in recent years as the nation has adopted a capitalist economic system. Chinese students are required to take “thoughts and morals” lessons in Communist ideology as early as first grade.


The worries of the Chinese establishment become clearer when it is understood that individuals such as human rights advocate Xu Zhiyong have been jailed for promoting the values to be found in the Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence.

Link: http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-sat-exam-american-values-chinese-students-20140829-story.html

Edited 7/29/2017 03:18:58
China and the SAT: 7/25/2017 18:24:37


Castle Bravo
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>try to take advantage of another country's superior higher education
>people realize how superior it is

archery
China and the SAT: 7/25/2017 18:33:15


Padraig
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A country takes advantage of another country's superior higher education.
Their children learn how corrupt their country's ideology is.

They change it.

Edited 7/25/2017 18:44:41
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China and the SAT: 7/25/2017 20:52:33


Padraig
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China is actually in a pretty good situation in terms of education now.


That seems to be true in broad terms, although promoting the ideas of Mao the father of the Cultural Revolution to children is an atrocious act of abuse.

... improve STEM literacy NOW.


I agree we should do all we can to improve STEM literacy.

Most of what you said is only tangentially related to the original post. Unless i have misunderstood, you don't hold the founding documents of the U.S. in high esteem. Am I wrong?

Point being, what do you think of those principles and rights that the Chinese governing class are so concerned about? I imagine that they are primarily concerned with the rights regarding governance being dependent upon the consent of the people, and with the right of free speech.

It is possible to take these rights for granted...
China and the SAT: 7/25/2017 21:02:15


Castle Bravo
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"People's Republic of China"

China INSISTS that its leaders rule by consent of the people. That is one of the foundations of Bolshevism; rule of the majority (the urban worker population will always be the highest among the classes). China is ruled by a majoritarian mob.
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China and the SAT: 7/25/2017 21:10:55


Castle Bravo
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>not Communist

Does the state own the means of production?

Yes, China has elements of a market economy, but the power of the State in the economy is supreme. The ruling party is called the "Communist Party". So you have a country with a slightly more privatized economy than the Soviet Union, ruled by a Communist Party. Either label "socialist" or "communist" is accurate.

Nationalism and Communism are not mutually exclusive. This confusion comes from the fact that "Nationalist" parties opposed "Communist" parties in the 20th century revolutions. Both movements promote centralization, majoritarianism, and hegemony.
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China and the SAT: 7/25/2017 22:03:20


Genghis 
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Sorry your thread got fucked by these goons. I'll press F to pay respects.
China and the SAT: 7/25/2017 22:08:06


Padraig
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... destroying powers of families and traditional societies is necessary or democracy won't do too much good.


Much of what you admire about the Japanese arises from the values of that society. This very much includes Japanese families.

A parent can be a force for evil, a case in point is the story of Mary Bell.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Bell

Having said that it is illuminating to investigate the rates of illegitimacy in the United States. There is a reason why the state supports families. Good families, especially extended families, are the base of society. This becomes clearer when we look at proposed alternatives for families. Orphanages can be a great thing if they are well run, but when they are not they have the potential of ruining lives in a wholesale manner, after the manner of Mary Bell's mother but for hundreds of children over generations of time.

It is easy to ruin things, setting them right takes much more effort.

This is the underlying notion that inspires those who are conservative.

Edited 7/26/2017 06:19:39
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China and the SAT: 7/25/2017 23:29:33


Castle Bravo
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God damn Genghis that's EDGY!

Please post more le ebin ANIME memes XD
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China and the SAT: 7/26/2017 01:24:04


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West European nations and their descendants need to do more. Get rid of libtards and fundies, remove peafowlism, promote both nationalism and rationality, etc. The West will rise again if its racial core is preserved.


remove peafowlism

The West will rise again if its racial core is preserved


The only person you are trolling on the forum anymore is yourself
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China and the SAT: 7/27/2017 04:54:07


Tiny Koala
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Many Chinese students who come to the U.S. as undergraduates are well-off. There are very good universities in China, as good as any in the world. However, you have to do well on a difficult entrance exam to get into these schools - for example, the acceptance rate to MIT is 8%, but the acceptance rate for Tsinghua is between 0.03% and 0.10%, depending on where you're from. If you are not such an amazing student (or if you're sick when you take the entrance exam), then your choices limited, unless you have the $$$ to study abroad.

This is less a reply to the original post, which is interesting, and more directed at those who think that Chinese demand for U.S. higher education is driven by the uniform superiority of U.S. higher education.
China and the SAT: 7/27/2017 05:14:53


Padraig
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Thank you for your comment. It is very helpful.
China and the SAT: 7/27/2017 15:07:09


Castle Bravo
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Hey let's use American tax payer $$$ to educate foreigners what a great idea

back to reddit
China and the SAT: 7/27/2017 15:31:21


OnlyThePie
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If you want to study in the US, you're gonna have to deal with US values. China should shut up and deal with it.
China and the SAT: 7/30/2017 01:17:24


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Funny story: My college is about 20% international, a lot of them rich Chinese kids getting funded through CCP connections. Last year, some Falun Gong people came and painted one of our (public) murals with "peacefully dismantle Chinese Communist Party."

In 99% of America, that is at worst an acceptable thing to say. But the uproar against that was almost as bad as when someone painted "Trump 2016" on the same mural. Felt really weird to see people get angry at something lime that, given that they weren't FOBs or anything. On an average day, your only clue that these people aren't everyday Americans are their expensive laptops, Audis, and the very very few of them that cluster together and talk to each other in Mandarin. You get like maybe 5% of them with stereotypical foreign behavior among undergrads- they're fairly westernized and blend in with all sorts of crowds. Only among the grad students do you really sense that they're from a different culture.

Just felt real odd that day; never thought I'd see so much backlash against opposition to China's government. Not a real problem (the longer people live in the US, the clearer it becomes that our way of life is preferable to second/third-world countries), of course, but I never thought that even Chinese people in the US would be okay with such an autocratic government.

Many of these people fear Trump for things that they're okay with the CCP doing.

Edited 7/30/2017 01:18:19
China and the SAT: 7/30/2017 01:23:03

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^None of these will matter in the long run. The Northeast Asian race is already well-positioned to be the next ruler of the world. I'm sure that they will mess up later. However their trouble is nothing compared to the trouble here.

In the long run the West will rise again. Arabs will rise again. India will rise. Not sure about mestizos and other groups.

Edited 7/30/2017 01:26:03
China and the SAT: 7/30/2017 05:26:32


Empire of Kilos
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The SAT is a pretty neat CTU. Hibananna is my Picture after all.
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