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Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/17/2017 15:11:13

Japanball
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Evolution is fact. Is it disgusting that gravity is tauht in school?
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/17/2017 15:17:06


Cata Cauda
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If me wanting myths not to be taught as facts in school is "forcing my ideas", then I am guilty.

Edited 8/17/2017 15:17:17
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 05:26:50


Padraig
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This thread is proof that atheists want to force their ideas upon others. Disgusting.


What nonsense, this thread proves no such thing.

First off not everyone who holds that the modern understanding of evolution is correct are atheists. That is a canard. The Catholic Church in particular has stated that there is no inherent conflict between their belief, and an acceptance of evolution. They are far from being alone in this regard. Alfred Russel Wallace the eminent evolutionist, who was a contemporary of Darwin, was a Deist. Darwin himself wrote that, "(it) seems to me absurd to doubt that a man may be an ardent theist & an evolutionist."

Or again you may read the statement of Theodosius Dobzhansky, a member of the Russian Orthodox Church, and one of the fathers of the modern evolutionary synthesis:

I am a creationist and an evolutionist. Evolution is God's, or Nature's, method of creation. Creation is not an event that happened in 4004 BC; it is a process that began some 10 billion years ago and is still under way... Does the evolutionary doctrine clash with religious faith? It does not. It is a blunder to mistake the Holy Scriptures for elementary textbooks of astronomy, geology, biology, and anthropology. Only if symbols are construed to mean what they are not intended to mean can there arise imaginary, insoluble conflicts... the blunder leads to blasphemy: the Creator is accused of systematic deceitfulness.



Secondly the question is whether creationism should be taught. As well as the idea of what laws might be written on the subject. In science classes students should be introduced to ideas which can be defended by the methods of science. When I was a young student that was what happened. During the introductory lectures our teacher gave an explicit discussion of various religious opinions on biology and cosmology and what they implied for the subjects we were discussing.

A refusal to even learn what the evidence for evolution is, will work well for maintaining a belief until a child becomes an adult and quite possibly learns that rather than having been properly informed they have been instead sheltered from ideas. May they not be inclined to judge that they have been sheltered because there is no good answer to those ideas?

The fossil record gives evidence that implies the creatures living in the world have changed. The notion that the world can not change without the intervention of the creator would seem to imply an incompetent creator. One notion that some believers hold is that we, and in some sense all of creation share (in a lesser manner) one of the primary characteristics of the creator, the ability to create.

Made in his image...

None of this says that you must or will agree with any of the above statements. But before you speak of "proof" it might help to gain a more complete understanding of the whole context.
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 10:13:50


Ranek
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When I am saying Evolution I am referring to one animal changing into another. Not adaption.


are you confusing evolution with creationism?

Scientific conclusions are probably to exhausting for an uneducated mind to comprehend. but does this excuse to teach bullshit (creationism) for the simple minded?

Edited 8/18/2017 10:17:57
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 16:20:10


ıʇnpp∀ ǝɥʇ ןǝssıℲ
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A Muslim, Christian and Jew (in the religious sense) can not believe that humans are descendants of apes. This goes against the notion that humans descended from Adam and Eve, peace be upon both of them.
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 17:28:25


Robert Le Chat
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A Yertrewwrytreertrwwist cannot believe anything other than that the ground is made of pudding. Does that mean we shouldn't teach kids about tectonics?
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 17:43:17


gilead
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"A Muslim, Christian and Jew (in the religious sense) can not believe that humans are descendants of apes. This goes against the notion that humans descended from Adam and Eve, peace be upon both of them."

True, unless god took an apeman and apewoman and breathed divine self-awareness into them creating the seperation we see between extinct primates and homo-sapiens. This new self awareness later being compunded by eating the apple.

Just because Eve looks like Celine Deon and is built like Kim Kardashian in all the pictures doesn't make it fact.
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 17:53:03


Cata Cauda
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A Muslim, Christian and Jew (in the religious sense) can not believe that humans are descendants of apes. This goes against the notion that humans descended from Adam and Eve, peace be upon both of them.
Well, then they are all wrong.
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 18:01:00


gilead
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Yo, I just explained ONE simple theory for the explanation of evolution.

Edited 8/18/2017 18:01:21
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 18:05:48


ıʇnpp∀ ǝɥʇ ןǝssıℲ
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There is no proof that humans descend from apes.
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 18:37:12


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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Earth is turtle shaped though, that is a FACT
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 18:42:12


Жұқтыру
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and humans are evolved forms of frogs

(ribbit)
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 18:42:19


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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Humans did not "decend from apes". Humans ARE apes.
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 19:15:21


ıʇnpp∀ ǝɥʇ ןǝssıℲ
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Stop with the balderdash.
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 20:01:36


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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APES DO NOT WANT WAR
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 20:35:25


Leibstandarte (Vengeance)
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Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 20:48:23

Andrew
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Perhaps, Bomber man, you have chosen not to see the evidence. If long-winded centuries old texts like The Origin of Species are not your style, I would suggest the Your Inner Fish documentary series hosted by University of Chicago Professor Neil Shubin. He presents some very convincing (not that sane people need convincing) evidence of evolution being fact.
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 21:00:08


ıʇnpp∀ ǝɥʇ ןǝssıℲ
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Believing that humans are apes is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in my life.
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 21:04:45


Жұқтыру
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says the guy who thinks humans just were put on the Earth one day by some magic being that we conveniently can't see or detect
Should teaching creationism in school be legal?: 8/18/2017 21:18:00


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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It is not about belief. That is personal.
It is consensus. That is what we consider facts.
See the difference?
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