Anyway, what kind of man would hate radical feminism? That would be like choosing MLK over Malcolm X. We Are The World over Public Enemy. Rodney King over the LA riots. Nelson Mandela over Fidel Castro. Basically, you are a pussy.

@Bossss: It's true that you can't say that all overweight women are bad and all thin women are good. Some of my good friends are overweight, some of the more radical feminists I know are not. But still, in my experience, this is a rather typical setting. I would be lying if I said that the typical radical feminist is happily married and popular with men.

@Zap Rowsdower:

There's nothing more disgusting to me than people who like to argue about politics. Of those people, there's none more revolting than the men who have an unhealthy obsession with feminism. They should be castrated.


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I mean, for fuck's sake, two blogs about feminism? Is that what the world really needs? Why don't you get off reddit and try to actually do something to make the world a better place. That is presumably the ultimate goal, so why don't you go volunteer at a soup kitchen or something. There's rape and female genital mutilation and tonnes of real problems in the world, and you're on warlight preaching about the scourge of radical feminism, you think that's constructive? what is wrong with you? you sicken me

Why the hate? What's wrong with wanting more equality between the genders (or, preferably, having the whole concept of genders removed)? Also, the notion that people opposing radical feminism are always male is plainly wrong.

And since you like to label men who see problems in radical feminism as "ugly sad neckbeard guy"'s, may I ask, how much personal experience of women do you yourself have? You seem to know what "boobs" are, since you were previously named after someone's boobs. But is that all? Is she your girlfriend? Have you ever had a real girlfriend?

Also interesting that you think "rape and female genital mutilation" are real problems, which they are, but what about male genital mutilation? It happens just as often as female genital mutilation, if not more often. Don't you think that's a real problem? The same applies to rape. Boys and men are being raped statistically just as often as girls and women. And say if I'm wrong but it seems that when talking about rape, you only meant rape of females as a "real" problem. To me, you seem to want something completely other than equality between the genders.

Anyway, what kind of man would hate radical feminism? That would be like choosing MLK over Malcolm X. We Are The World over Public Enemy. Rodney King over the LA riots. Nelson Mandela over Fidel Castro. Basically, you are a pussy.

There's a difference between supporting racial equality and giving women equal rights with special treatment. Radical feminism doesn't want equality. It wants equality with chivalry. Why would I support a movement that actively seeks to make me powerless before the law?

Let me clarify with an example - a father and mother before the law, the mother receives special treatment, the benefit of the doubt and in many European countries can name any man as the father of her child whether or not he's actually the biological father, so long as she can prove she had sex with him around the time the child was conceived. Why? Because of the needs of the woman and child are more important than the rights of the father. Even if he can prove he's not the father with a DNA test, the court will rule in the mother and child's favor. It's happened in Germany dozens of times already. Why would I be in support of that?

Need another one? - In the case of divorce a man needs to pay alimony to the woman even if she earns more than him. Why? Because the laws that were made in regards to alimony were made at a time when women earned less than men or could rarely find a career job and haven't been updated since. This means there are women that have a significantly higher standard of living than their ex-husbands because the law favors them. Also, if a women is proven to have cheated on her husband, in many cases he still has to pay her alimony.

Getting married in Europe (and to a lesser degree, America) just plain sucks for men these days. Men have fewer rights and have been reduced to an ATM machine for their family. A husband can be accused of raping his wife, which will result in a divorce, forfeit of all property to her and jail time. If a man is accused of domestic violence he can be banned from him property and handed a restraining order, which forbids him from going home and if a divorce ensues, he'll lose all his stuff to her. The best part? People tend to assume the women is telling the truth with little or no evidence because of social and media bias. In these cases a man is guilty until proven innocent (as opposed to being innocent until proven guilty).

With the law clearly favoring one side over the other, how can you call it progressive and equal? Why would I support such a movement that demands even more power?

I understand that not all women are cruel and willing to do such things to their husbands, but "a man who has to submit himself to the good intention of his wife in the face of unfair laws is a slave". X - you may be a masochist, but I like my balls attached to me and not rolling around in some woman's purse. <- (Blatant HIMYM reference)

Of course, making laws perfect is next to impossible, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Men and women can be equal before the law in this day and age, at least in the developed world. If we can't set an example for developing countries, they're going to set examples for us.

Boys and men are being raped statistically just as often as girls and women.

I would be so astounded if you were female. Please, please send me a warlight mail with some kind of proof. It would turn my world upside down, no kidding. It would be more amazing than Inception. Please, I beg you, I won't divulge any information whatsoever, I'll just come on here and say that I was wrong.

It would be an incredible feat of nature for you to be a woman, like a perfect solar eclipse. I want to bear witness to it. Please. Please. It would be truly miraculous, and I can feel the wonderment plucking my heartstrings at the mere thought of it. I just want to know that it's true.

If you are female I take back everything I said, you are a remarkable person, I really mean that.

You seem to know what "boobs" are, since you were previously named after someone's boobs.

That was a Community reference but yes I am aware of mammary glands. Good sleuthing by the way, nice work.

btw just to clarify, when you say male genital mutilation what are you referring to, circumcision?

Why would I support a movement that actively seeks to make me powerless before the law?

Let me clarify with an example

Hold up. Did I say you should support it? No. But you should damn well respect righteous fury when you see it. When a group of people caught under the thumb of an oppressive group try to liberate themselves. and refuse to take prisoners or make compromises. Even if you disagree with it you should sympathise and you should fucking salute them for having more balls than your beta self. And fuck it, maybe they should turn the tables, get themselves on top for a while and make you powerless, see how you like it. You wouldn't like it. But you should fucking respect it. For practically all of history women are second-class citizens, suddenly a few things go their way and how do the men respond? Cry about it on reddit. It makes me fucking nauseous.

As for your examples, that's all you really have. A handful of uncommon situations. There's still a hundred injustices to women for every one to a man. Sure, those things suck, but they're only a cause celebre if you are a misogynist. Just like bill o'reilly or whoever talking about "reverse racism" or affirmative action. It's because he's a racist.

Basically, you are a zionist kvetching about Palestine. "Boo hoo hoo, they shot some homemade fireworks at us. O what a terrible crime." Get a fucking grip and a sense of perspective.

Let me just get to your examples quickly,

1. Not sure what rights are actually being compromised, you might have left that bit out.

2. A law is outdated. Nothing to do with radical feminism.

3. I find this hard to believe. In most cases of domestic abuse there should be fairly obvious physical evidence. Courts don't usually convict based on accusations alone. As for reported rapes, the conviction rate for rape is extremely low because it can be difficult to prove (especially so if it's in a marriage). In fact, most rapes aren't even reported, because of both this and the fact that a lot of people don't want to do anything about it because of the additional psychological trauma and fear of ostracism.

Sorry, I digressed a bit there. What were you saying? A few guys lost some money in divorces? Oh. Sad.

...and you should fucking salute them for having more balls than your beta self.

=/

This feels a bit like watching Judith Butler scream "Jew faggot" at someone.

Except that I actually expect her to use "Jew" pejoratively any day now.

yeah. that definitely wasn't irony.

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I would be so astounded if you were female. Please, please send me a warlight mail with some kind of proof. It would turn my world upside down, no kidding. It would be more amazing than Inception. Please, I beg you, I won't divulge any information whatsoever, I'll just come on here and say that I was wrong.

It would be an incredible feat of nature for you to be a woman, like a perfect solar eclipse. I want to bear witness to it. Please. Please. It would be truly miraculous, and I can feel the wonderment plucking my heartstrings at the mere thought of it. I just want to know that it's true.

If you are female I take back everything I said, you are a remarkable person, I really mean that.

A while ago you fantasized about castrating me against my will (if I were a man, at least), and now you ask me to give you photos of me? No.

What difference does it make for the argument itself if the argument is made by a man or a woman? Please inform me. In any case, see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA

She looks like a woman, don't you agree? She has a whole collection of videos where she says essentially the same things that I am saying. Now are you ready to admit that she is a remarkable person and you were wrong all the time? That male rape is as bad as female rape?

That was a Community reference but yes I am aware of mammary glands. Good sleuthing by the way, nice work.

After you eagerly categorized everyone on this thread criticizing radical feminism as a loser, and therefore irrelevant, I thought you would be brave enough to tell us something about yourself. Was that too much to ask?

btw just to clarify, when you say male genital mutilation what are you referring to, circumcision?

Obviously. But you don't see it as a problem that young boys' human rights are being massively violated by cutting a part of their body away?

...you are a pussy...righteous fury...

So you are saying that Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, and Mahatma Gandhi were all pussies because they advocated societal change without unnecessary bloodshed? You would rather honor Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong, because they murdered tens of millions of people in the process?

Did the "righteous fury" in Soviet Russia or Communist China end after the revolution? No! Bashing, ostracizing, and murdering of the "bourgeoisie" went on and on for decades after the war had already been won. Similarly, ongoing radical feminist "righteous fury" is no proof of existing societal injustice.

What difference does it make for the argument itself if the argument is made by a man or a woman?

I don't know. You're the one posting in drag. But it's like a turkey voting for christmas, it's incongruous.

She has a whole collection of videos where she says essentially the same things that I am saying. Now are you ready to admit that she is a remarkable person and you were wrong all the time?

Please give me the video and time where she says that men are raped as often as women. I would really love to see that.

I thought you would be brave enough to tell us something about yourself.

Oh don't worry, I'm definitely a loser. I'm participating in this dumb thread, aren't I?

So you are saying that Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, and Mahatma Gandhi were all pussies because they advocated societal change without unnecessary bloodshed? You would rather honor Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong, because they murdered tens of millions of people in the process?

Yeah, that's definitely what I'm saying. I'm a Stalinist. You got me buddy.

But you don't see it as a problem that young boys' human rights are being massively violated by cutting a part of their body away?

I just wanted to hear you say it explicitly.

Let me guess ... you're a big fan of Ayn Rand? And Ron Paul too? Have you exchanged your savings account into bitcoin?

So you are saying that Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, and Mahatma Gandhi were all pussies because they advocated societal change without unnecessary bloodshed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#MK.2C_the_SACP.2C_and_African_tour:_1961.E2.80.931962

lol you nearly slipped that one by me. you are so wrong about everything. you should gouge out your eyes and improve your vision, and maybe if you were castrated you might finally grow a pair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.#Compensation

Do you agree with that, out of curiosity?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhi#Women

Did I say you should support it? No. But you should damn well respect righteous fury when you see it.

I'm sure we all have some reason or another for some righteous fury. We're all oppressed one way or another, but if we have everyone trying to act on their "righteous fury" the whole world would burn. Or maybe that's what you're aiming for? ;P

And fuck it, maybe they should turn the tables, get themselves on top for a while and make you powerless, see how you like it.

...because I obviously should suffer for something my forefathers MAY have done, obviously. You wanna talk about second class citizens? Try being a German with a funny accent in a hick-ass American town for a few years.

What were you saying? A few guys lost some money in divorces?

No, I'm saying a precedence has been set for injustice and inequality before the law that's the equivalent of taking one step forward and three back. I'm saying that the current generation of American and European women who complain about oppression have NO CLUE what real oppression is, because they don't live in the Middle East, where you can be imprisoned for driving a car or wearing jeans.

The radical feminist movement is largely comprised of opportunistic middle class career women who don't wanna kiss corporate ass to get to the top.

Punishing the current generation for the crimes of the last generation breeds contempt in the next generation. It's a vicious cycle and your suggestion for the way things should be done is a great way to keep it fueled.

I don't know. You're the one posting in drag. But it's like a turkey voting for christmas, it's incongruous.

Alright. If it doesn't fit into your world view that me or Karen could possibly be women, you don't have to believe it. We're both just turkeys voting for Christmas, not aware how much we are being oppressed by society. Please keep on telling that we must be men in drag and that only if we were women, you could believe us.

Please give me the video and time where she says that men are raped as often as women. I would really love to see that.

A quick search gives me 4 videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot-54S2ZE1k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0edkrT1nMZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx4hx_3JfcY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXVpalqXdIk

There she advertises a radio show that she holds with a couple of other women. They talk about rape and how men are being discriminated against by society. This becomes clear from the four quick clips already (maybe the radio shows themselves could be found somewhere too, I don't know).

Here you have the statistics, by the US Center for Disease Control (starting at 5min):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt1ZFZrbDJw

Men are being raped as often as women. What's also interesting in this clip is that it shows how the UK law doesn't even recognize such thing as a rape by a woman. The legal text literally states that a person commits rape if he penetrates the vagina with his penis. How could a rape by a woman even be properly taken into statistics in the UK?

I just wanted to hear you say it explicitly.

Let me guess ... you're a big fan of Ayn Rand? And Ron Paul too? Have you exchanged your savings account into bitcoin?

As a matter of fact, I'm neither an Ayn Rand nor a Ron Paul supporter, neither have I ever owned bitcoins. But certainly male genital mutilation is not a problem if Ron Paul says it is. It's the wrong person saying it again, isn't it? Your message came across. If Paul were a woman, then you would take the claim seriously.

...Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, and Mahatma Gandhi...

I'm frankly not sure what you are trying to say with these links. Are they pussies now or not?

Mandela's path as a human rights advocate has not been one covered with blood. The Wikipedia article says that he was interested in some kind of ability to threaten others with arms, however, it also says that "MK agreed to acts of sabotage to exert maximum pressure on the government with minimum casualties". Just like I said, he wanted to avoid unnecessary bloodshed, even if applying pressure was sometimes necessary.

King advocated a fixed fund of $50 billion to help blacks as well as other disadvantaged races in schooling and the like. This program should last for 10 years, not for an eternity. I find it very reasonable.

Gandhi advocated equality between the sexes, just as I do. You just need to realize that India in the 40's is not exactly the same as the western world in the 2010's.

You're heavily (wilfully) misinterpreting that statistic, which is bound to be invalid anyway (most rape statistics are worthless guesswork and I don't like it when people start reciting them as gospel).

But what does rape of men have to do with radical feminism?

I mentioned rape.

You assumed I was only referring to rape of women.

You started (mis)quoting statistics on rape of men, like it was some kind of competition over which gender gets raped more.

What does that have to do with anything? (Not a rhetorical question.)

You wanna talk about second class citizens? Try being a German with a funny accent in a hick-ass American town for a few years.

[Sheds a single tear.]

I'm saying that the current generation of American and European women who complain about oppression have NO CLUE what real oppression is, because they don't live in the Middle East, where you can be imprisoned for driving a car or wearing jeans.

You're right. Only Muslim men can be misogynists. Patriarchy only exists in Saudi Arabia.

Guys with funny accents are the real victims of western society. Those ignorant feminists just don't know what it's like :'(

I'm frankly not sure what you are trying to say with these links. Are they pussies now or not?

I never said a single thing about Gandhi. I looked up him and MLK on the old wiki because I wanted to check something. Found a couple of interesting things. As for Mandela, it is absurd for you to group him with Gandhi and MLK who were staunch pacifists for religious reasons, while Mandela was a terrorist at one point and used all means necessary. You also posited a dichotomy between him and the very people who influenced him.

I never said they were pussies. I said you were. Is the word bothering you? I was only using it ironically. Maybe you would prefer 'spineless'?

MAKE IT STOP!!! Nothing productive can come of this. There is evidence to support and attack both sides. All that will happen is that you will become were entrenched in your views. MAKE IT STOP!!!

I know that no one will probably listen to me, but I've already read some, for lack of a better word, bad arguing, I post this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacious_arguments

At least please stop with the fallacies. The one I most object are the ad hominen arguments. I think a number of recent posts have mentioned (true or not) personal information about another person or themselves to boost their arguments.


Sincerely,

Internet Police

Oh! Maybe Gror? xD

I is L.O.quint?

P.S. Missed that link on Gandhi for a minute. I was going to highlight his repootAshin wif women. Hilarious that he was inserted into this thread. We love you Great soul!

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