Why not add a rule you can't bet on any player in a game you are playing in?

Alternative accounts. Plus if you would be able to enforce it you'd give the best player a pretty big disadvantage.

Well, then lets only open the bourse and meta-games for players who have played over 150 or more games? It it easy to make a dozen accounts, but it's a lot harder to play 150 games on each. And it keeps the newbies out who don't even know what a territory is.

|> Why not add a rule you can't bet on any player in a game you are playing in?

That question made me wonder, will players be in multiple games at the same time? That would greatly change the way the system works. If you use a "standard" tournament, everyone plays a match, loser is out, winner continues to the next round, this is not a problem of course, but I can't find a post stating the kind of tournament.

Besides, you don't want to have to prohibit people from talking about their matches with others, so (if people can't buy stock in their own match anyway), you should expect quite a lot of "secret" information to leak to friends of the players. Unless you want to create a committee which can investigate reports of illegal trading (hint: you don't want to), I think it's a lot easier to just declare all trading legal and solve the problem that way.

---

|> the good thing about this is that you cant make money from doing this only lose it for others
|>
|> oh...unless you of course bet on the person you know who is killing you.

Wait, so we're not going to have options, short selling and complicated tricks even bankers themselves don't fully understand? :( But that's boring, then it will (largely) make sense and reward good judgement instead of rewarding insanely complex tricks with millions of dollars which may or may not have been yours to begin with.
*Oh boy, I really hope we don't have too many bankers on this forum! :p*

Yup, since the crisis all the former bankers have gone on the internet...

|> Well, then lets only open the bourse and meta-games for players who have played over 150 or more games? It it easy to make a dozen accounts, but it's a lot harder to play 150 games on each. And it keeps the newbies out who don't even know what a territory is.

Seconded =)

In fact, Not-Spartacus already declared all trade legal and said you couldn't buy shares you can't afford.
Somehow a round robin tournament seems most suitable to me. I can't find any good reasons, but hey, it's a bourse, so who needs reason?

I will try to see if this can be fit into my schedule. :)

|>I think the WL API could be used to get an overview of income in each turn.

I think you're right, but given it doesn't show income (bit of an omission that!) it would be way too complex for me to use.

|>Well, then lets only open the bourse and meta-games for players who have played over 150 or more games? It it easy to make a dozen accounts, but it's a lot harder to play 150 games on each. And it keeps the newbies out who don't even know what a territory is.

I'll put a threshold on the tournament: maybe not as high as 150 but high enough

|>Somehow a round robin tournament seems most suitable to me. I can't find any good reasons, but hey, it's a bourse, so who needs reason?

I hadn't thought of a round robin, but possibly that might be an idea.

----
Beginning to wonder what I've let myself in for here :-)

|> I think you're right, but given it doesn't show income (bit of an omission that!) it would be way too complex for me to use.

Then what are you planning to do? Manually figuring everything out? That's ludicrous! :o

I'll make you a deal.

- You decide on which map the tournament is going to take place.
- You find a game on that map (preferably with some "special" things happening, such as people surrendering and getting booted and stuff, so it will be a realistic sample).
- You send me the XML file returned by http://warlight.net/API/GameFeed.aspx?GameID=123456 (with of course the correct game ID substituted). Since I'm not a member, I've never actually seen what it returns.
- Give me two weeks (no promise! just an estimate) and I'll send you a program to parse such an XML file into a turn-by-turn overview of incomes.

The format I currently have in mind would be:

Game ID: 123456
--------------------------------------------------------
Player:
Turn: Timestamp: not_sp. RvW PlayerC PlayerD
1 20120303@125842 5 5 5 5
2 20120303@125937 5 5 5 5
3 20120303@125959 8 8 5 7
(...)
## 20120303@133742 0 123 0 0
--------------------------------------------------------
Reason game ended: Victory of RvW

Those timestamps and the last line will only be there if it's very easy to determine! Let me know if it would be a big help to have per-team totals as well (in that case, make sure the sample game log you send me has teams too).

Then whenever a game ends, you can get the XML, run it through the program and update everyone's value. You'll have to do that by hand, or find someone else to write a program to do that automatically though. It's just that this part is relatively easy to do and will save you lots of time (especially if the timestamp can be automatically determined).

The API also gives you an easy way to [find all the game IDs for a given tournament](http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Game_ID_feed_API).

@not_spartacus:
It's been a while; have you abandoned the idea or ...?

I'd be interested.

Are we still going through with this?

Not_Spartacus, are you still doing this. If not, would someone else be willing to take over.

I was talking to not_spartacus (in-game) and he said he will come back to this later. He did not say how much later though.
Remember, once this starts, it will be a *lot* of work for the game master. So I can understandd not_spartacus wants to be sure he has a lot of spare time in the foreseeable future before really starting this up. (I was working on a program to help but I've suspended that; whenever I have some spare time to spend on WarLight, I work on the analyser instead, since that seems a lot more relevant currently. If you want to run a bourse, talk to me and I'll see what I can do.)
If anyone else wants to take over, it would be very nice if you talked to not_spartacus as well; it's pretty much his idea (well, at least it's his idea to do this on WarLight), so having him agree to let you take over would be a very strong point in your favour in my opinion.

Bump. Is this still on the table?

I haven't heard anything from not-spartacus any more; I'm guessing he's still too busy in RL.

There is that manager's league or something, which sounded vaguely similar; you could join that if you're interested.

Im in :)

Since not_spartacus has been inactive for a while, I think I am going to make something like this.

I will probably commit if atleast 15 or 20 people are interested as well as some honest people to participate in the actual game