Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.



-Martin Luther King, Jr.

5, I hope your high horse bucks you. Get over yourself.

He never said he was going to commit suicide, rather he said he has had suicidal thoughts because of the way people treat him here.

He said that, but suicidal ideation is enough to get you diagnosed with severe depression. Therefore, he had suicidal thoughts because of his own "illness", which is really nothing to do with us. Unless you are claiming that suicide is a logical response to being "cyber-bullied" or "e-harassed" or "iMocked".

cynical isn't the right word as that could only really be applied to you.

I think cynically because people act cynically. It makes me sad every time. I don't like it when people take deep private emotions and broadcast them for a positive response. It's too self-aware and inauthentic. It's shallow. By associating itself with authentic feelings, it cheapens them. And you, the uncynical one, reinforce this and make the world a worse place. Making me more cynical.

One with a suicidal predisposition would be more likely to stay and fight.

Do you have a source for this?

Anyway, excellent response Taisho. Obviously all regressive genes will automatically die out. And of course, causes of behaviour are always exclusively either genetic or environmental, never a combination of both.

self preservation would normally dictate that you let the animal attack your child or mate

This is definitely wrong. It's the selfish gene not the selfish individual. Male spiders are eaten by their mates after they procreate. In Life I saw some bug work itself to death to get food for its bug babies, her dead bug body was the last meal she provided for them. There's some kind of ant that self-detonates to ward off attackers. Are these insects suicidal? I don't think so. Are kamikaze pilots? I wouldn't agree that is related to suicidal depression, I've never heard that before.

I quote Martin Luther King Jr, and that automatically means Im on a higher moral standing than you? Cmon. By that logic, any intermediary, anywhere can be renounced by "get off your high horse." There have been many documented court cases and personal accounts where being harassed on the Internet has led to depression, suicidal thought or actions, and yes, even suicide. Just because you are able to distance yourself does not mean others are. Maybe get off that high horse yourself?

The other thoughts Im unsure about. "Im cynical because the world is cynical, caused by my cynicism?" Maybe I misinterpreted your message there. In any case, I agree that many people DO use emotions and mentions of suicide that way, but unless we treat them all seriously, the serious cases will get by. Maybe that's why Im not a cynic. :)

And on the final thoughts, I'll have to research those because I had never heard of these ideas/theories/crazy liberal conspiracy/what-have-you.

"Im cynical because the world is cynical, caused by my cynicism?" Maybe I misinterpreted your message there.

You sure did. Stick to the glib quotes, kid.

And on the final thoughts, I'll have to research those because I had never heard of these ideas/theories/crazy liberal conspiracy/what-have-you.

Those aren't thoughts. They're a fundamental part of the theory of evolution.

I agree that many people DO use emotions and mentions of suicide that way, but unless we treat them all seriously, the serious cases will get by.

The warlight forum isn't going to save anybody's life.

WTF is going on with these forums? Hopefully he does not go through with it (whether his intentions are real or not...I have no idea nor do I care to speculate). I have no idea what transpired to lead to this thread, but the forums have gone WAY downhill in general. I feel like I am in middle school when I go to these forums. I used to read most of the threads on here, and now I am down to less than %25 because most of the stuff posted on here is just complete junk that has nothing to do with Warlight at all.

I really think it is time for an overhaul of the forums. We need additional functionality (admin tools), Global Moderators, etc. I'm not sure if it is correct, but someone raised a good point that some things said on here could be taken as cyber bullying. And Fizzer could be in legal trouble if he's not careful and taking steps to get a handle on these things.

We had similar issues on a large basketball site I used to be part of. They appointed some global mods (I was one of them) and we helped keep things civil. Later, a group of us mods made our own site we designed and administered because one of the global mods went rogue and the site backed him.

If Fizzer wants my help (as I said helped design our site, and have been a moderator on multiple sites as well), I am willing to help him retool the forums. If not, I sure hope he is protected legally from these types of things.

I agree with Chris.

I posted my idea in a new thread.

Mulva, you really ignored my main points and focused on what I admitted I didn't know in that reply...

If I misinterpreted your meaning, please explain it more in depth so I can understand you, assuming of course you want me to understand you.

I phrased it that way because, as I said, I had never heard of these ideas/core components before. As I have not adequately researched them, I cannot come to an opinion on them. Regardless, this avenue of discussion is a tangent on the main point of this thread.

You can't possibly know that. And even if it doesn't. it may improve someone's life. At the very least, this forum functions as an exchange of ideas. Most of what you posted may not affect the WarLight community at large, does that disqualify it? No. We are merely having an exchange of ideas here. Whether it saves a life or everyone but us ignores it does not discount the message at hand.

5, don't expect X to take a post too seriously. He posts for his entertainment, not for some greater altruistic purpose.

Chris, as much as I like your idea, the second you nominated yourself I became hesitant. There is not a single player on this forum (that I can think of) that has been unfairly bashed, but rather made himself the target by posting something ignorant or strongly opinionated.

We don't need a greater global censor telling us how to behave. Not all of us on this site are 13. If Lawlz really can't handle the heat, he needs to get out of the fire. If he's not smart enough to do that, he's going to end up dead one way or another, suicidal thoughts being the least of his problems. Genetics and environment aside, sometimes you just need some fundamental intelligence.

I don't like when people say "stop acting like stupid 13 year olds" and stuff like that.. I'm 13 but I don't act like that..

stop acting like a stupid 13 year old, maxi.

;(

@ mulva

Well it was just an over simplified analogy to how a gene like predisposition to suicide could continue.

i agree probably an over generalization.


What I was trying to get at though rather clumsily. Was that a person with this particular gene doesn't have the same capacity for fear of death. Combined with the selfish-gene. Could produce situations where suicidal behavior is indeed a benefit in an evolutionary sense. Probably a bad analogy to use.

for those interested in the genetics of suicide here are some resources.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.c.30042/abstract;jsessionid=7012FF6EBC0ACC976EB923C8D04D9447.f03t03?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022395603000487?cc=y

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1399-5618.2001.30608.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false



Particularly in the last article they talk about a spectrum of suicidal behaviors. Albeit the research is still early on to draw conclusions.

Like I said I am not a psychiatrist so my conclusions are merely opinion.

The thing to consider especially with genetics is that genes tend to overlap in function. This is why gene switch research is still in its infancy because when you switch a gene off for a specific trait it could cause other traits to become unbalanced as well.

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How about we go back, say, 30 years, all the Children in America dealt with bullying much better, yes there was still a rouge suicide or mass killing from some depressed psycho, and those people were NOT memorialized, given candle light Vigils, or any of that, they were most likely post mortem diagnosed as clinically depressed, or have some other form of mental problem. Nowadays, kids CUT THEMSELVES, CUT THEMSELVES, simply because they feel "misunderstood, hurt, not getting enough attention, or not cool" This isnt the generation of America past, this is a generation of wusses and pre-maddonas. I cant take all the BS. These kids throw their lives away like trash because some jackass called them a name on the internet, heres some god damn advice, LOG OUT!. dont jump off a god damn watertower because you feel bad, and if you feel like suicide is the only way out, think, think about someone who loves you, there is at least one, maybe you know them, maybe they are a secret admirer. Now imagine the pain they would feel if you KILLED YOURSELF. imagine it, imagine, your mother, father, siblings, family, all feeling that emptiness of having lost a loved one. All because your SELFISH, selfish, taking your life, whether you have a religion or not. Life is the greatest gift, your here, your special, you matter. dont throw away your existence on this earth for your petty feelings. Also take into account that if you do believe in a higher power ( I myself am catholic), that ALL religions, literally ALL religions believe that taking ones own life is the ultimate sin and damns you for eternity, hell, whatever you may call it, taking your own life is THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO. Now Lawlz, still feeling down, go here www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org‎ . call 911, they will help you, theyll stay on the line until someone comes and helps you, call the hospital, most have 24/7 psychiatric ERs at their main campus. GET HELP. Dont kill yourself because you cant deal with your feelings. Dont be selfish. I cant stand this generations bull anymore.

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The irony of all this is that lawlz said that he wouldn't check any of these posts, all of which are trying to help him (or complain about him)

Also, totally agree with Leo's post. There is absolutely no reason to kill yourself, especially for something as little as a forum full of people you never seen in your life.

Leo I think you need to understand that a lot of these issues you are talking about have been around for a long long time its not just the issue of this most recent generation.

It might be more noticeable these days because of the communication technology that we have today vs 20 or 30 years ago. So people are more comfortable sharing their feelings than they were 20 or 30 years ago.

Regardless, this avenue of discussion is a tangent on the main point of this thread.

That's because the main point of this thread is "pay attention to lawlz".

Any life that could be saved by the warlight forum is not worth saving.

As I have not adequately researched them, I cannot come to an opinion on them.

I am pretty sure i took the time to help him out recently and tutor him a bit on gameplay. Not sure why he said nobody has been nice to him

Edit, maybe i am wrong. Did not realize there was more than one Lawlz.

Edited 3/27/2014 12:50:34

So, you want me to come to an opinion an a subject without adequately knowing what Im talking about. Alright, the opinion I have come to is that you are only paying attention to tangents and not my main point, and the points you ARE talking about require more research to come to a conclusive statement, though there seems to be a real correlation. And your statement that "Any life that could be saved by the warlight forum is not worth saving." really says more about your argument than I ever could. We disagree at a fundamental level, and all that can be accomplished by our discussion is that we become more entrenched in our views.

This is so wonderful to read. Give me more!