I'm done arguing. If you can't see what I was trying to say, talking about it isn't going to help.


@Odin, thank you for showing somewhat of proof. I mean, I don't know you, so your word isn't much to me, but I'll just have to trust you.

I'm done arguing. If you can't see what I was trying to say, talking about it isn't going to help.

Lawlz; if you haven't got a foot to stand on when someone proves you wrong, say so and don't try to take the moral high ground.

so your word isn't much to me

http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread?ThreadID=32393 Start at page 2.

I'm done arguing.

-Lawls (4/6/2014)

Edited 4/6/2014 21:08:03

Come on guys.
Does he deserve bashing? Of course he does.
Does he deserve a ban? maybe.

But what difference does it make now?
none.

I am the one who controls his account now anyways..
And I am sure that if he will ever try to go back, he will create next account.

Is he a legend on this site? It's not for me to judge. But some things are certain:
even though he:
1) abused the system to unbelievable extent, obviously breaking the rules
2) cheated using both - his alts and friends' account
3) bragged way to often
4) Spied on other clans and people

He still:
5) was one of the very best players.
6) taught many of today's top players
7) was one of the most involved players of all time
8) from all the players i have known, he had most passion for this game.
9) was able to achieve in fair game most of what he cheated for.

His main problem was his ego. He never had enough. He always needed others to admire him. I am not going to go into detail why do i think it was his case, but he needed it. That's why he was bragging all the time, and wanted to be recognised as the ultimate player - better than the rest, the very best, the unbeatable, the legend. The two last points - 8) and 9) make me want to stand by his side, even if for some reasons i do feel cheated on as well.. And i was closer to him than most of you if not all who speak here. However i do pity him that he used cheating to achieve what he was indeed able to do with a little focus, and fair play.

I do believe his example should be a lesson for all the other people willing to cheat to achieve anything on a meaningless internet game site.. All in all it's only that. Don't get me wrong - i still find this game awesome, and i do admire all the hard work Fizzer is doing to maintain the site and develop the game. It's just that - truth to be told - this will never be anything more than a game. Gnuffone needed to be recognised as the best among the best, and his actions, as i said before - unnecessary ones, made the community recognise him but not as what he wanted to be admired for. He became infamous, and i do believe in his case this is big enough failure and big enough punishment. He lost everything he was fighting for.

I do believe his example should be a lesson for all the other people willing to cheat to achieve anything on a meaningless internet game site

so a permanent ban?? if you think this should be a lesson for all the other people willing to cheat is that the only option right, else everyone can say " hè, what he did was 10 times worse then i did". So i this case it's the only option then.

Edited 4/6/2014 21:20:08

At the end of the day, he cheated to get considerable achievements. But it is not for us to delve into his mind and judge he has repented enough. An example should be made of him - a permanent ban and a removal of all his trophies and achievements.

Ban for the sake of banning is meaningless. Ban just to make example is also meaningless. It's to late to change anything.

By his example i meant that even when you cheat you have to be aware that sooner or later, people will find out and you will be ostracised and people will be disguisted by your actions.. Call it Karma, call it social impact, call it justice, call it whatever you like. The punishment will come for you. We may only hope that in the future real-time punishments will PREVENT people from cheating. punishing after the guy has retired is.. well... ineffective to say the least.

I disagree. Players don't know he is retired. His alts certainly aren't. A ban makes an example of him.

If a serial killer kills his last person and says they are really sorry and they will stop murdering, do we let them go free as they have repented?

Fridge makes a good point maybe a more creative punishment is in order Fizzer could blacken his account
meaning his account will show no text and no ladder statistics so the thing he cheated to get will not be shown
I have to continue and agree with Fridge yes Gnuffone did some shady stuff but also did a lot of good we should also remember that

blacken his account

Or ban him and remove all his trophies. Achieves the same thing as his credentials are gone and it says he was a cheater on his profile (suspended for violating...)

Edited 4/6/2014 21:34:21

Arun, stop this nonsense. Besides the only alt you were pointing at is DarkVengeance, which as far as I know is not controlled by gnuffone anymore but i admit - am not sure about that.

Despite his immense cheating, he gets away with all his achievements on an apparently clean record (if you look at his profile). What is nonsense is letting this happen.

Arun, it's in the past; it's over and done with. Gnuffone will forever be known as a great player and the biggest cheater on warlight. As Fridge said, he did this for his repuatation and his goal was to be known as the ultimate best. Now, hardly anyone considers him that becuase of all the stuff that has come out. He has faced punishment from this loss of reputation; I'm not against a permaban now for him, but I think it would make little difference.

Little difference to Gnuffones main account, but a potentially huge difference for future cheaters (precedent should not be set to entertain the idea of letting cheaters get away with it).

im with Arun, i think you cant let get him away with it because you allow everyone to cheat. It's not in the past and it just came out a few weeks ago ( i read it then on the forums) and it is still going on. The problem is that he had a huge effect on many players and even clans. It is not that he just cheated with a little thing. So JSA maby you think it is in the past and it is over and done. For many others it isn't and they want justice. So i dont think you can talk here like this because first you where not a victum, you had even benefit from it in the 20A league if im right? and 2nd if you don't do anything about this you just say everyone can cheat because the only damage is if you get caught that you will loose some reputation. in 1 year many players dont even know what happend and his reputation is like it before. You just can't let him walk away with this if so we all have a free pass to cheat in ladder games, etc

Edited 4/6/2014 22:39:51

Funny enough, I don't know many players with the connections (passwords to other accounts) or time (because they spend theirs doing something else called living) to cheat to the extent that Gnuffles did.

The one thing Gnuff cared about on WL the most was his reputation and that tanked when word got out about his dirty little secrets. He lost a number of friends (or at least their trust), was exposed as a liar, etc, so a permaban isn't necessary at this point, imo.

Also, if anyone should learn something from this it's this: don't share your password. Sirius learned that the hard way as well, for those who remember ;)

Edited 4/6/2014 22:47:19

Angry Beavers, you are clueless about the warlight community if you think everyone will forget about him in one year. The Impaller is still a legend. Gnuffone's scandal will go down in history. Most of that effect to clans was just to [GG]. He didn't hurt any other clans that I am aware of. Yeah, he's a cheater, and you aren't gonna hear me arguing that. If you want him banned, do something about it. Don't just complain about it in the forums; report him. I already said I am not against banning him; I just don't think it is a big deal.

This is so funny.
But completly unessasary.

Edited 4/6/2014 23:55:50

When the original topic appeared, I did have a short in-game chat about it with Fizzer, just asking his opinion with link to some strong accusations in the topic. However, I personally did not (and could not) report Gnuffone as this should be done be the people in the topic who posted these accusations.

Consequently, IF Gnuffoe was not banned, it means nobody reported him. Looking at the reactions in this original topic, I have the feeling that the people who could do this, all had reasons not to do this. If there is no report, I personally don't see why Fizzer should spend his time on doing his own investigation instead of continue working on the site?

So maybe a better question than "should he be banned", is rather "did anyone report him"?

I like gnuffone despite the cheating. I never really thought he bragged as much as others are claiming. I have seen other people on this game being a lot more full of themselves then him atleast. And truth be said i don't really care if he gets banned or not, although i can understand why it could upset some folks when he does come back and play a few rounds. And lets be honest here, he _will_ come back, even if he is in denial to himself about it right now. As soon as he gets proper internet connection on wherever he is right now he will pop around and end up playing some games, just like he did last week.

But thinking about the whole ban thing, a "banned for cheating" sticker all over the profile of whoever gets caught would sure be nice to remind people that it's wrong and not acceptable behavior. Sure they'll just create new accounts or use an alt anyways, but that account they spent so long time building up the stats would be forever tainted because of their silly cheating.

Something like:



Also, someone was mentioning what harm was done to the clans apart from to GG? WM itself.