By naming the clan 'Elite' you bring this upon yourself.

By definition, the elite moniker is a means of proclaiming your superiority over the masses. When that superiority is made suspect by the performance of members it only makes sense that the clan as a whole is questioned since the tag proclaims their supposedly superior ability.

Elite players are those who can match the top talent and will maintain a 50% win rate against such competition. Running up massive win rates against lesser competition will only draw criticism and harassment over the unsupported claim of being elite.

i was speaking with jsa....NO one of your teamates has been booted at first turn.....
http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2829110
http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=2829210
and your play like your teamates was ridicoulos
you have beat me one time in m earth ? and? your positions on thas tournament was? less than my......

aniway im not interested at your silly arguments of who is the best ..... for me warlight is hundreds of maps not only medium earth.....my games in medium earth are 15 or maybe 20 but not more.....i dont have the experience of hhh......

And in that tournament we both went 13-6, you got lucky by the order http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2438

I did the best I could with teammates who didn't know what they were doing on those 3v3 europe games and plus those were some of the first Europe 3v3 games I ever played.

You're right...Warlight does have hundreds of maps...but yet the only one you play a lot is Real-Life Europe.

You have more than 20 games on medium earth...you have 29 with just this tournament I found on your profile and the earlier mentioned tournament. http://WarLight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?TournamentID=2476

You have played over 5000 games, HHH has about 6000. Thats close to the same experience...

hhh play only europe 3v3 and medium earth 1v1 and maybe is better than me, but im really curious to see him against me in europe real life or another template.....

why don't you invite him to a game and post the link here

haah im not sure he is interested to play with me in weird maps......

Bel, the only way to get a valid comparison would be to have both players leave their comfort zone. The best option would be take a newly submitted map and play on that as the learning curve would be comparable.

You can't criticize others as being Middle Earth specialists while being a Europe RL specialist.

Create a game on the "duel" map, and whoever wins will be the best player.

great idea noobschool

its always fun to see who has the most patience

Belzebub, I was trying to get my point across to you before about skill in terms of risk management in warlight...

I'll keep it simple, for map to measure skill efficiently templates/maps can't :
- be too big
- be too small
- have too unbalanced bonuses
- have multi-attack
- have too high luck setting
- have too many cards
- have unbalanced cards
- have unbalanced way of dealing card pieces
- have unbalanced way of aquiring card pieces
- have not enough starters to cover the map effectively
- have too many starters
- have auto distribution
...

I think that's about it, that goes for both 1vs1 and team games. And the reason strat 1vs1 and europe games are overused, because they fit in nicely into those. Anyway I'm quite convinced if you make any template on any map satisfying those requirements real elite players will beat you. No one cares specifically for medium earth, it is just well-built, transparent, easy to learn and naturally became a standard due to ladder and auto-game. Eeveryone really cares it has decent settings and by decent I mean satisfying all of the above conditions (though does not satisfy them for 2vs2 ladder unfortunately).

I'm not criticizing anyone, I am only saying that we do not have the same experience, because we play different maps, I'm perfectly aware that the map where there is more competition is medium earth ..... and then is correct to play them, i have joined ladder to learn from these players not for teach at them....but accuse me ( only because i have an high stat in 1v1) of cheating or of playng vs noobs first than chanllenge me in the template who i usually play....its childish....aniway after mine 15 game i will have a rank for sure bettern than mr X....

maps CAn'T....... this is just you opinion!! Fizzer have made also these setting, and this game was created by fizzer NOT you|

Belzebub, I just stated that for maps to measure skill efficiently they must satisfy some basic conditions, otherwise the variation brought on by settings makes it borderline impossible to control risk... I guess you just won't understand that...

continues to be your personal opinion....

No, my personal opinion is that Europe is the best available map for 3vs3 games. What I said is a pretty much an objective statement, in order to measure skill, you have to reduce variation, every single thing I mentioned reduces variation. In the same way I can safely say Duel map is 100% luck based, I can say that maps that do not satisfy the conditions i mentioned are partially/to a big extent luck-based.

looks like its the beginning of the end for the elite clan.

Gotta side with szew there... his statement is more fact than opinion.

Skill means limiting luck and allowing for an even playing field. A map must be balanced in order to allow for that and the settings must also be even.

@Mylor: Who the heck are you? Go away please.

@Swez, I think that's true, and therefore if such a competition were to be implemented, it should be on a completely new map, just like you suggested earlier.

On a different note, specifically aimed at Richard and Jsa, without sounding like a douche at all, but many of the players are indeed much better than most warlight players and are able to beat top players in team games at times. This does not mean we are the absolute best, but we are improving on a daily basis on a a competitive level, keep in mind this is a relatively new clan. It existed for a bit but only recently many members joined and we started to accept team challenges and playing competitively etc.

Nevertheless, since we are tired of all this fuss, we are considering changing the name to something a bit less "screamy". This is up to us though; And this is not the "end" of the clan... we will still be just as active within the group as before I predict.

doggy,

I haven't played enough 'elite' members to be able to speak to their competency. While I don't believe some of the stats are valid (like 98% in 1v1) that doesn't mean I don't believe there is any ability there. Merely that it isn't as good as that number would otherwise suggest (no one is that good).

As I said above, using such a term is simply asking for trouble from people, especially when such dubious methods as Optim's are employed. I assume you took my 5-0 line as the joke it was intended to be.