Yes. The boot thing it's right, but is not the case of big ahead.
The biggest problem (for me, but not only for me, other played say the same) are:
- that is a boring template
- its better speak with a teamamte than don't speak: it's easy make a strategical mistake (the reason it's bc only 2 starting spot) so have another opinion about where opponent is is very important.
-look at my old game agaisnt lawm: you will laugh for how bad i played :-)
-plus the template is not very strategical, 90% of games are decided on picks. and often is rock paper scissors. have a teammate it help you on don't make stupid decision.

i think it's ahead play with yourself, but you must enjoy the template.

the proof i am right? i am not playing the 2v2 ladder with myself :P

Edited 7/3/2014 08:48:41

- its better speak with a teamamte than don't speak: it's easy make a strategical mistake (the reason it's bc only 2 starting spot) so have another opinion about where opponent is is very important.

wooooooooohoooooo

infallible gnuff finally grew up! I am happy

that was related only about the ladder 2v2 template and few weird 2v2:
i still think, play the template you like with yourself is better.
Though i have to admit, its easier make mistake: is a double edged sword. if you're carefull you could play better, but there is the risk you play worse by not seeing some strategies or make bad mistake you usually wouldn't do.

@Potato - Nauzhror played with 2, maybe 3 accounts on the 1v1 ladder but in a way that is legal (I think?). He joined, got games, left the ladder and only did it with one account at a time to make sure he couldn't face himself. Playing with multiple accounts but never being joined with more than one seems okay by me.

Ok, I myself play RT ladder with 2 accounts (Alcoholic and Potato) but in a way that just allows me to play more games and not to game the system, I often take breaks from one account on rt ladder.

You played 1v1 ladder at same time too potato. Checked game log and you had both accounts on most of june

Even if a person never plays them-self it is unfair for several reasons

1). It allows you to choose your opponents more. Join with many accounts, get matches, select which account to actually play. Or play them all, but that increases your odds even more.

2). You have the chance to alter the ratings of other people, and even your other account, even if you don't play against yourself. Maybe you have common opponents. Maybe your common players are 2-3 degrees of separation. Regardless, your play effects everyone else, including yourself, in some way. It doesn't have to be a direct matchup.

I am sure there are more, but you cannot tell me there is no advantage to it or why would people do it? Simply because 5 games at a time is not enough? Balony. You can play RRs, etc if you want more games

Edited 7/3/2014 12:28:41

Chris I did not, each time I joined with one of the accounts I left with the other (1v1 ladder).

Edited 7/3/2014 12:38:07

I played the 1vs1 ladder with 2accounts just because on a ladder game, me and my opponent concentrates much more than on a stupid RR. Playing on the ladder is much more fun than playing the same template on a random tournament. I didn't manipulate the 1vs1 ladder in any way and i completely disagree that it can be considered cheating especially with a high amount of unexpired games.

^^

A - achieving a high rating on the ladder

P(A) < 1- (1-P(A))^{n}

you guys are so mean
it is clear that only gnuffone cheats by using 2 accounts on the ladder
when MOD and Potato are doing it it is not cheating
they are playing with 2 users not to help their chances of being #1
they are doing it to fight and protest world hunger hence the name swimming potato it is a metaphor of the ships carrying potatoes to hungry kids in africa they are selfless humanitarians not cheaters
and you might ask yourself how can MOD play against himself in the ladder and say it is not cheating?
well it is not cheating!!! if he plays himself in a random game he focuses less and it is not as fun so stop being so judgmental these are good and honest players only gnuffone is a cheater

Yes. Furthermore when MOD played himself on the ladder, he did not even realise it was him and played his best on both accounts while gnu knew everything and little bastard only faked the game.. :(

Haha ineffable you figured out my name!

But back to the point, I have never played myself in a ladder, in 1v1 each time i played with one account i quit with other. In RT ladder i played it just for competitive rt games. When I did a run with my alt on rt ladder I never played with other, now i only play with my main.

Edited 7/3/2014 13:21:48

I'll give out an imaginary cookie to whoever explains better my last post :)

A - achieving a high rating on the ladder

P(A) < 1- (1-P(A))^{n}

Probabilty of player X to take 1st place (or a good spot) are less than the chance of use more than one account, where N+1 is Always better than N and the chance increase exponentially.

Edited 7/3/2014 13:25:28

I faced myself 2times. One of those games this account won, the other game this account lost. That's why i say it's no cheating at all for me. And i never called gnuffone a cheater because of the 1vs1ladder. The ones who know me know also that the 1vs1 ladder rank doesn't matter for me.

I faced myself 2times. One of those games this account won, the other game this account lost. That's why i say it's no cheating at all for me.

i think the best way for cheat in 1v1s, is not let you win your alt, but is win from your alt agaisnt who he in top of the ladder... that's how you really can cheat with good result i think.

I think you should not play with yourself. Let alone speak to themselves. Honestly.

Potato - I don't know how you can claim that.

Here is your game log on 1v1 ladder with main:
http://warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=3940
(6 games finished between June 5th and 16th)

And with your alt:
http://warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=5298
(24 games finished between June 5th and 16th)

Maybe you joined with one and left with the other (I would have to look at start times), but you still played both accounts at the same time for 11 days. That is 11 days of trying to knock off people to help your other account.

So, obviously you joined with alt on 5th to make a run.

Lets look at your games with Potato to see when they started:

Swat - 5/29
Zacatron - 6/1

MG - 6/12
Wolfer - 6/14
Ultra Lawlz - 6/14
FlyingBender - 6/15
Widz - 6/15

In that gap you played with Potato again. So I believe that you were never joined with both at the same time (that you never intended to cheat). But there is still overlaps in games. You should be more careful and not join until you'd exhausted your games, that way you have no idea how your games with 1 account will effect the other.