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please pray for them: 12/16/2012 17:29:57


Addy the Dog 
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Montagne said men are in part measured by how they face death. If we measure a man by how he views the deaths of others


"Death" and "deaths of others" aren't interchangeable. I can't believe how much you misinterpreted that quote. It's blatant that he is talking about how we face our own death, not the death of strangers.




Kisa Gotami had an only son, and he died. In her grief she carried the dead child to all her neighbors, asking them for medicine, and the people said: "She has lost her senses. The boy is dead. At length Kisa Gotami met a man who replied to her request: "I cannot give thee medicine for thy child, but I know a physician who can." The girl said: "Pray tell me, sir; who is it?" And the man replied: "Go to Sakyamuni, the Buddha."

Kisa Gotami repaired to the Buddha and cried: "Lord and Master, give me the medicine that will cure my boy." The Buddha answered: "I want a handful of mustard-seed." And when the girl in her joy promised to procure it, the Buddha added: "The mustard-seed must be taken from a house where no one has lost a child, husband, parent, or friend." Poor Kisa Gotami now went from house to house, and the people pitied her and said: "Here is mustard-seed; take it!" But when she asked Did a son or daughter, a father or mother, die in your family?" They answered her: "Alas the living are few, but the dead are many. Do not remind us of our deepest grief." And there was no house but some beloved one had died in it.

Kisa Gotami became weary and hopeless, and sat down at the wayside, watching the lights of the city, as they flickered up and were extinguished again. At last the darkness of the night reigned everywhere. And she considered the fate of men, that their lives flicker up and are extinguished. And she thought to herself: "How selfish am I in my grief! Death is common to all; yet in this valley of desolation there is a path that leads him to immortality who has surrendered all selfishness."

Putting away the selfishness of her affection for her child, Kisa Gotami had the dead body buried in the forest. Returning to the Buddha, she took refuge in him and found comfort in the Dharma, which is a balm that will soothe all the pains of our troubled hearts.

The Buddha said: "The life of mortals in this world is troubled and brief and combined with pain. For there is not any means by which those that have been born can avoid dying; after reaching old age there is death; of such a nature are living beings. As ripe fruits are early in danger of falling, so mortals when born are always in danger of death. As all earthen vessels made by the potter end in being broken, so is the life of mortals. Both young and adult, both those who are fools and those who are wise, all fall into the power of death; all are subject to death.

"Of those who, overcome by death, depart from life, a father cannot save his son, nor kinsmen their relations. Mark I while relatives are looking on and lamenting deeply, one by one mortals are carried off, like an ox that is led to the slaughter. So the world is afflicted with death and decay, therefore the wise do not grieve, knowing the terms of the world. In whatever manner people think a thing will come to pass, it is often different when it happens, and great is the disappointment; see, such are the terms of the world.

"Not from weeping nor from grieving will any one obtain peace of mind; on the contrary, his pain will be the greater and his body will suffer. He will make himself sick and pale, yet the dead are not saved by his lamentation. People pass away, and their fate after death will be according to their deeds. If a man live a hundred years, or even more, he will at last be separated from the company of his relatives, and leave the life of this world. He who seeks peace should draw out the arrow of lamentation, and complaint, and grief. He who has drawn out the arrow and has become composed will obtain peace of mind; he who has overcome all sorrow will become free from sorrow, and be blessed."

I can copy/paste Buddha quotes from the internet too.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 17:49:40


À la recherche du temps perdu 
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Nice one! I love how you assume that we are all buddhists!
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 18:05:47


Addy the Dog 
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I think the most important thought pattern behind guns is using them as a means of survival in a crisis situation. What happens if a crisis overwhelms the police force and looters come forth to rob your house? Do you just sit there whimpering in the corner as they rape your wife and steal your stuff, then shoot you all?


This is, like, demented. Texas isn't that bad, man. And I'm pretty sure that Japan aren't interested in invading you any more.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 18:07:54


Addy the Dog 
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Fucking facepalm, Trollussa. That is intended for the person with the word Buddha in his name, who was posting Buddha quotes in every single thread a week ago.

And you don't have a problem with hell bender assuming that we're all Christians.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 18:29:11

MiniMALIST
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100,000 * 365 = 36500000
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 18:53:55


Gnullbegg 
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It's less than that when you consider taking civilized countries that should be able to feed their people out of the equation. Your source even proves that. Thank you. [...] Glad I have to explain myself. I recently looked at the population growth rate for Africa, which was stunningly large even though I knew the mortality rate was low. As rabbits have a tendency to repopulate quickly, it's a good simile to describe how they're repopulating quickly.


1. Actually, your statement about population growth & mortality rates makes no sense at all.

2. Why you would think that my source does anything more than providing a breakdown of the main causes of death for various age groups & regions of the world is beyond me.

3. Reflect upon your use of the term 'civilized country' in this context. For example, look at the statistics for South Asia. India & Pakistan are nuclear powers. India is a democracy.
Take those out of the equation as well then. What about China? Yeah, continue. Go down that route; embrace the conclusion that there's no systemic malnutrition at all and everything is just government corruption. Pretty damn convenient, but still wrong.

4. Why don't you go on and educate yourself about the actual reasons for the high birth rate (and while you're at it, recognize the recent downward trend here which can be attributed at least in part to successful development assistance (e.g. foreign aid in women's education)) instead of just 'looking at it', then? It might keep you from comparing people with rabbits next time, which is not only offensive as fuck but also shows that you're currently talking about stuff you obviously know not nearly enough about, as it just simplifies the issue at hand beyond recognition.

5. Special thanks @Platypus for such a highly useful comment.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 20:51:46


À la recherche du temps perdu 
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The double facepalm is for you...
First you should know that the theory behind your post is buddhism...
Second if you would have read one of my posts, I've never assumed that we are all christian nor try to convince someone to become one, but I just ask for respect my religion as I respect the atheism and the agostisicism, even if I disagree with them.
A man is respectful mostly toward the people who are different from him.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:01:04


Addy the Dog 
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I can't respond to that, you've so completely misunderstood what I wrote. So I'll just add that you don't have to be Buddhist to get something out of that parable.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:01:36


[WG] Warlightvet 
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In france there are gun laws
massacres don't happen
so gun laws prevent massacres
if you can find a hole in that logic (except that americans are more prone to murder people than the french) then please tell me...
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:18:08


Kenny • apex 
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In france there are gun laws
massacres don't happen
so gun laws prevent massacres
if you can find a hole in that logic (except that americans are more prone to murder people than the french) then please tell me...


Here's a direct quote from wikipedia:

"Nanterre massacre 27 March 2002 Nanterre 9 19 injured. Death toll includes perpetrator.

2012 Midi-Pyrénées massacre March 19, 2012 Midi-Pyrénées region 7 French Muslim attacked a Jewish school, killing 3 young children and a rabbi at the school; assailant also killed 3 French soldiers"

Better logic would've been:

In France there are gun laws
The frequency of massacres is low
So gun laws prohibit people from massacres.

In which I would attack it like this:

Population of France: 65,436,552
Population of USA: 311,591,917

Ratio of USA to France: 4.58

Draw your own conclusions.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:20:03


{rp} Julius Caesar 
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im not assuming everyone is christian all religions pray to a higher power most commonly reffered too as god
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:23:38

Darth Mylor {Warlighter}
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I wouldnt say all religions have a god. Some, such as budhism and confucianism have no gods.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:26:20


{rp} Julius Caesar 
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they meditate then to find their inner peace or nirvana which can be described as finding "god" within themselves persay
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:34:42


Kenny • apex 
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1. Actually, your statement about population growth & mortality rates makes no sense at all.

2. Why you would think that my source does anything more than providing a breakdown of the main causes of death for various age groups & regions of the world is beyond me.

3. Reflect upon your use of the term 'civilized country' in this context. For example, look at the statistics for South Asia. India & Pakistan are nuclear powers. India is a democracy.
Take those out of the equation as well then. What about China? Yeah, continue. Go down that route; embrace the conclusion that there's no systemic malnutrition at all and everything is just government corruption. Pretty damn convenient, but still wrong.

4. Why don't you go on and educate yourself about the actual reasons for the high birth rate (and while you're at it, recognize the recent downward trend here which can be attributed at least in part to successful development assistance (e.g. foreign aid in women's education)) instead of just 'looking at it', then? It might keep you from comparing people with rabbits next time, which is not only offensive as fuck but also shows that you're currently talking about stuff you obviously know not nearly enough about, as it just simplifies the issue at hand beyond recognition.


1. zero sense*. What doesn't make sense about it?

2. Perhaps you didn't look at your source long enough to see the facts I've stated coincide with it. Pretty damn good for someone doing rough estimates I'd say.

3. And you don't see us giving a damn about their starvation problems do you? I think those problems are a bit more tragic than Africa. But wait what.. There is government corruption in both China and India. Worse than in the European countries and USA. However, I don't like discussing Asian problems when we're on the topic of Africa, so let's focus. The problem of starvation isn't bad in Egypt when compared to Ethiopia, Sudan, and other countries right? Egypt has the means to feed their starving people and the government in place that could do it if they wanted. Therefore, why worry about Egypt? Same as South Africa. Why not worry about those countries in which the Government is so corrupt and ****ed up to the point people die in droves per day? You want to tackle a problem logically right? If a house was falling apart due to termite damage, why would you replace the siding before replacing the main beam that is falling apart? The question here is not of 'are people dying' The question here is of 'how do we tackle this issue?' As I have stated, that's problematic and near impossible on many counts. Go back and read my 3 points and find a reason to refute all 3 of them and I'll agree to yield this entire argument to you and go to my congressmen and begin pressing them to fix it.

4. High birth rate has always been natural for agrarian societies. Baah, you're right, I should stop using such harmful similes. Surely I should've said: 'Oh man, they repopulate just as fast as you would naturally in an agrarian society in which life expectancy is low.' I apologize wholeheartedly for taking the attributes of a rabbit that has low life expectancy and high birth rate and using it to describe a situation involving a low life expectancy and high birth rate. Clearly, I find that all Africans are are just animals and I compare them to rabbits because I am evil, and I don't respect them.

If THAT is your best insult to hurl at me, then please work on it. There are probably plenty of other things you could get mad about in my posts. I don't believe for a second that you're that paper-thinned skinned Gnullbegg, I do believe you took it out of context and are trying to tell me that I meant something I didn't. If you felt the statement was misconstrued, simply ask me to rephrase it or use a simile not involving animals. Don't jump to some conclusion that I'm ignorant and stupid about the issue at hand, and value Africans as animals.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:43:46


{rp} Julius Caesar 
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all of you!!!!!!!


all you people do is comlain and argue you guys are too smart for your own good, ok

you act like assholes, newsflash assholes we give like a billion in aid to africa every year and it jst goes to the warlords mansions thats why we cant help them i can tstand all this arguing i asked for you to stand with the world in this time of tradgedy and if you thinks its not a tragedy then tell the president to put the flags back up to full staff your a bunch of genius jerks sometimes

(not you lowlut and trollusa) (mainly X)

(fizzer please forgive the explitaves)
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:44:27


Ironheart
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Can someone please summarize what direction the thread has gone or what loluwu,x,trollusa and gui are arguing about.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:46:00


{rp} Julius Caesar 
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pretty much x started being a complete jerkoff about this school massacre he actually laughed about it so everyones ganging up on him
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:46:07


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It is probably you that don't know Buddhism...
I've spoken for 3 years with a buddhist master when I was agnostic, and I can say that those are buddhist concepts.
You can agree with buddhist thoughts even without being buddhist for sure, but unfortunately the final aim of Buddhism is the absence of everything that come from the world (just superficialy speaking of course) and even if you (being a superior creature) are really convinced of not living in the world (since the paradox of nihilism is that it is the most idealistic of all the philosophies), I think that we (common people) are pretty convinced of living in the world and of feeling every kind of emotions; this is the reason why in order to get something out of that fragment (as you assume it should be obvious) you have at least to have a mind predisposed for those kind of concepts.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:55:01


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Anyway HellBender even if you don't even understand it, you just proove their critiques.
Even if you don't agree with what they say you cannot insult them without even expressed properly what you think.
In my opinion his noncurance for this tragedy is more dued to immaturity rather than inhumanity (immature guys always want to proove everybody how inhuman they are, inhuman people are much more hypocrite), but even if I don't agree with his points since the conversation might be interesting you should try to answer him with construstive critiques to his arguments and not with insults.
please pray for them: 12/16/2012 22:55:08


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@Hell Bender: Perhaps if we were really getting at it and it turned into just hurling insults (so far from what I can see, I've only be insulted by Myhand and Gnull. Myhand a bit directly, Gnull from a misconstrued understanding of which he flipped offensively on me) it would be time to just stop. Your actions aren't fair. x and company have just as much right to express their opinion just as Trollussa and company do.

All I can do is point out the flaws with their ideas, and so far very little has been thrown back at me. As for x: yeah, we get it Hell Bender, and we addressed him on it. What do you wish to do now? Dip him in acid? We're on the internet. He's entitled to be an asshole just as we are entitled to call him out on it. So far I don't see him pushing it too far, so it's all good.
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