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Spelling in educational society: 1/8/2013 22:05:00

Darth Mylor {Warlighter}
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I'm not really that obsessed with grammar, especially on the internet. As long as i can understand it (and not butchered), Im ok for a few mistakes. For example, I dont always put apostrophes (the sign ') or put capitals, but you can't say I'm not good in English. It is the internet after all.
Spelling in educational society: 1/8/2013 22:06:01


Addy the Dog 
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Granted, I will readily admit that I was being picky on some issues.


Now, I will present "What SGV should have typed":

I will readily admit that, as well as correcting blindingly obvious mistakes, I made a number of stylistic changes, which were not necessarily an improvement, and in some sentences, I retained some clauses which made entirely no sense.


The redundant third sentence especially seems, redundantly, to be a redundant product of the Department of Redundancy Department, a department I find to be completely redundant.
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 06:38:12


Merriam-Webster
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Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 09:03:29


Oxford Dictionary
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Oxford dictionary is the most relevant reference software dictionary in the world today. It is the premier dictionary of the English language. The first edition was published in 12 or so volumes and when it comes to second edition it was 20 or so volumes.

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Oxford Dictionaries are the world's most trusted dictionaries.

For the discerning English speaker use Oxford Dictionaries by the Oxford University Press.

Reasons to not trust American dictionaries:

American spelling is substandard and seems to have a fear of the letter 'u' e.g. colour, flavour plus there are other deficiencies.

Why do the Americans shorten the word Statistics to Stats but do not shorten Mathematics to Maths (Instead they shorten to Math)? Is this logical? NO!!!!

:P
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 09:12:00


Merriam-Webster
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We're sorry. The acronym "NO" is not a word in our dictionary. We kindly redirect all inquiries to the following site: http://www.acronymgeek.com/NO
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 13:11:03


i-like-swords
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^ What is this? I don't even...

Anyway, no matter how you look at it, good spelling and grammar is important for someone to have because our words are supposed to facilitate communication by making our ideas clear to the people you want to communicate to, whether by mail, article, forum, or talking face-to-face. It's okay if you forget to do things once in a while, even more so on the Internet, but saying that grammar and spelling are not important will lead to confusion about what you are trying to say and people can misinterpret what you are trying to say. Not only that, but unless you actually meet the person face-to-face, your words are the only glimpse of your personality that can be seen by others. So if you send in a job application full of mistakes without actuality meeting your employers, they will think that 1)you are not very good at communication which can be problematic, 2)your intelligence is below average, and 3)if you don't care to bother to fix your mistakes on paper, it is likely that you won't care to fix mistakes during your job either.

Currently what your butchered sentences on the forums are saying to me, skunk, is that you while you are generally friendly, you are stubborn, childish, and have lower standards than a twelve-year old. If this is how you want to be perceived, then continue typing up botched forum posts. Others will most likely not take you seriously until you raise the standard grammar and spelling of your posts so that it is clear to us what you are saying.

Regards,
swords
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 14:35:46

[WM] Artham 
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Speaking as a real world proffesional I can tell you that spelling means nothing in the real proffesional world. MS WORD does the job for you. Im going through thousnds of pages of documents each month (and writeing houndreds) and if 1% of them is handwritten that's it. If you know how to use MS WORD (or equivalent) you're good to go.

Best regards
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 14:44:10


Richard Sharpe 
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Yes Artham, because MSWord can differentiate between their, there and they're just as it can between yore, your and you're.
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 14:47:24

[WM] Artham 
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It can't (at least not most of the times), but what you are reffering to isn't a spelling mistake. It's a grammar mistake. I agree that you have to know grammar. Also I think I need to add a disclaimer - Im describeing the situation as it is for me in everyday life, so Im reffering to polish language rather then english. I don't write much in english (outside of internet), so I admit there might be diffrences and I assume the possibility that english MS Word can't handle some specific situations.
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 15:12:28


Richard Sharpe 
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To me, a spelling mistake is one where you misspell a word, regardless of whether it creates another word or not. After all, it was not poor grammar that caused the mistake but poor spelling.
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 15:17:26

[WM] Artham 
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Mayby I'm educated diffrently, but I can't really imagine how one could make a spelling mistake that turns your to you're. On every english test I ever had that would be considered a grammar mistake.
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 15:31:37


Richard Sharpe 
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My point was that spell-check only identifies non-words, not misspelled ones. Yes, it will catch many cases but most certainly not all cases and while it is grammar that points out the error, it is poor spelling that is the cause. There is no chance someone is going to swap 'liar' for 'lair' from a grammatical standpoint but it can easily happen in a misspelling standpoint. There are countless such situations in the English language (I know nothing of Polish so won't even touch that aspect)

Spell-check can only cover for so many sins.
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 15:35:12


Wally Balls 
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I can't help myself but laugh at the ironry of the originally statement.


And I can't help myself but laugh at the irony of yours.
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 16:04:14

[WM] Artham 
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From your last post Richard I think it is very liekly that the diffrence in our opinions are mostly due to diffrent languages we speak (or write in this case). Im not a native speaker of english and my vocabulary is far from vast so I can't speak as to how often one could make such a spelling mistake that wouldn't be cought by autocorrect. In polish it's extreamly unliekly and that's what I'm baseing my opinion on.

best regards
Spelling in educational society: 1/9/2013 17:58:00


Ironheart
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MS Word doesn't have British English and use american English that have butchered re words to er and have a phobia of the word u and neither does the internet have British English.
Spelling in educational society: 1/10/2013 00:22:09


Wilfred Owen 
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Touche Billy Washout.

I can see that you made meticulous effort to spell and punctuate your sentence but still managed to begin your sentence with 'And'. :P
Spelling in educational society: 1/10/2013 01:05:07


zach 
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MS Word doesn't have British English and use american English that have butchered re words to er and have a phobia of the word u and neither does the internet have British English.


Now that's some ironry.
Spelling in educational society: 1/10/2013 06:38:43


Wilfred Owen 
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Two points for you Ironheart:

MS Word uses British spelling if you use English (UK) spelling template or spellchecker.

British websites use British English and American websites use American English.
Spelling in educational society: 1/10/2013 11:12:29

(Lost)SGV_STH
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(slightly off-topic)
Thank you to Lord Fred100 {TJC} and [WM] It's Cool, Man.. for correcting my language.

In addition, Ozymandias melancholia • apex speaks the truth. I am now eating my own slice of humble pie.

I will readily admit that, as well as correcting blindingly obvious mistakes, I made a number of stylistic changes, which were not necessarily an improvement, and in some sentences, I retained some clauses which made entirely no sense.

The redundant third sentence especially seems, redundantly, to be a redundant product of the Department of Redundancy Department, a department I find to be completely redundant.
Spelling in educational society: 1/10/2013 15:20:31

Nauzhror 
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Using GCSE's as your example is laughable. Using anything relating to school is laughable. The failing education system is a large part of why the current generation is stupid. The other part is failed parenting.

The educational system has taught us that being able to do basic math doesn't matter either since we can just use a calculator whenever we have a problem to solve.

Being able to spell and do basic math without the usage of a spellchecker or a calculator matters.

Spelling and grammar are direct indicators of your intelligence. They're also an indicator of your respect for your reader.

Start sending in resumes and CV's (though I'm not actually sure most people today will ever send in a CV, hell, I've found a large amount of people that think a CV is a cover letter, it's not, it's a curriculum vitae) with spelling errors and tell me where that gets you. I already know where it'll get you - tossed in the trash pile along with the other rejected applicants. Not only will the prospective employers think you are stupid, they will think you don't respect them or take yourself very seriously (since when you write a resume you are being a salesman, and the product you are selling is yourself, and you've shown that you don't think highly enough of your product to put in the time and effort needed to sell it).

Spelling matters even more so online, people have very little to judge you on intellectually other than what you write.

If you write poorly people are going to assume that you're stupid, and for good reason as far as I'm concerned. If you can't spell basic words correctly I don't trust you to do anything of any real importance, since anything I'd consider to be of real importance is a lot more difficult than spelling.
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