I second the Silver's idea for a Multi-day Ladder with several templates.

Could someone spell out exactly what the 0% and SR luck changes would do for the ladder?

most important: 3v2 always win

Edited 9/2/2014 11:33:03

So 16% SR and 0% WR both mean 3v2s are guaranteed?

SR means 3v2 always succeeds. 0% is irrelevant for that. but 0% means that 5v3 always succeeds as well as 7v4

yeah. 16% straight round is a troll setting...
0% luck pls, 0%

Just voted :)

Any way to see current progress, or not?

Also, I really really dislike the idea of consecutive games requiring completion. It punishes both players - not only the staller!

Yeah Dom, that's a problem. If a game naturally takes a long time as well it could stop you getting a rating.

This just postpone getting rank. So not so big problem i think.
It will also be harder to repeatedly made run for ladder position.
And encourage staying in ladder.

So overall only pros :)

Of course. If you get game when someone made succesfull run for ladder and is stalling just for purpose of keeping rank and you are just waiting for this game to finish to get rank... it will be frustrating.

the first 15 of 25 games to get ranked consecutive would make sense. like that it sorts out the earlier opponents with a lower rating, while it doesn't avoid players to get a rank when someone plays slow for a longer time.

So 16% SR and 0% WR both mean 3v2s are guaranteed?

no, in 0% WR 3v2 is not guaranteed. it's almost exactly like 16% luck but the difference is that 7v4 5v3 10v6 and other similar attacks are guaranteed, while in 16% they aren't (for example I think 7v4 is 98%).
also gnuffone, stop complaining to fizzer all the time. I've never seen any other game creator who makes polls and cares about the players like fizzer does. and I think you forget that he decides about the game, not you. You can't always get what you want.

Edited 9/2/2014 12:42:36

Thanks Brisk.

I do think Gnuff is being helpful though.

I read his 1st post and he wrote that it's a shame fizzer doesn't want to listen to "us".

also gnuffone, stop complaining to fizzer all the time. I've never seen any other game creator who makes polls and cares about the players like fizzer does. and I think you forget that he decides about the game, not you. You can't always get what you want.

I just say my PERSONAL opinion. Can i do this? well yes...

I read his 1st post and he wrote that it's a shame fizzer doesn't want to listen to "us".

Well yes it is, bc ladder are make for be competitive, and my suggestion would make the ladder perfect.
However i am not the only who say this. if you want i can link dozen of player that want the same exactly me.

Edited 9/2/2014 12:51:48

(reply to something said on the first page)

If/when changes to the ladders are implemented.. Will the ladders be reset?

i think it's obvious. Most bc if the change are like to put TrueSkill, is not possible keep past record anyway.

It's technically possible and not very server consuming to once run the TS algorithm on all past games. I actually really like that idea, as we'd get to see who actually played consistently well (I'm thinking Impaller, zibik/fatality, Timi, piggy, Heyheuhei, ...).
And people who gamed the system in the past and left with 5 losses in a row will get a nice punishment as a bonus, who could oppose that? :-)

Math Wolf, I love that idea.

the expiration is 3 months, so wouldn't change much anyway..

I just say my PERSONAL opinion. Can i do this? well yes...

Yes you can (and it's even recommended to do it), but it's not very nice to do it like that. fizzer doesn't owe you anything, that's the point. you should be thankful that he actually makes these polls and wants to hear players' suggestions.

Edited 9/2/2014 13:38:44

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I fixed that one question to say "finished" games instead of "won" games -- thanks for pointing that out.

The ladders will not be reset. It may seem by reading these polls that the ladders would change a lot, but note that not everything listed is going to change. This is just to get a feel for what kinds of changes are most desired. As I said in the original forum post, for the 1v1 and 2v2 ladders, I prefer to make targeted incremental changes, not complete overhauls.

If the ladders changed to Trueskill, there would be different options on how to do the transition.

One option is to re-run every game ever played through Trueskill and use the resulting ratings. This would be as if Trueskill was used from day 1. This makes some sense, since games in a Trueskill world wouldn't expire.

Another is to simply start Trueskill with the current ratings and continue. This makes some sense, since players before Trueskill were playing under bayeselo so they should be rated under bayeselo.

Another option is to run the last 3 months in Trueskill. This doesn't seem to make any real-world sense since the 3-month expiration wouldn't apply to Trueskill.