"the borders region (where I am from) and the rest of the U.K trades a lot with Scotland and all of the two countries plc's and many small businesses, are inextricably linked to both countries."
Come on man. The north of England and the South of Scotland ... you think they don't trade?
You think builders in Dumfries don't make houses in Carlisle? You think plumbers in Berwick don't work in Edinburgh?
You think that when businesses see the imaginary black line (the border) they stop doing business? Don't be silly man.
How do you think it would affect the economies of Wales and Somerset if Wales was to be suddenly independent? Do you think people in Bristol would benefit from not being able to trade with Wales freely? Or those in Wrexham with Liverpool?
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51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 20:43:09
Isn't this something the Yes vote should consider? It has been established that a Pound Union is NOT guaranteed; indeed, it is very much in doubt. If this happens (I doubt it will) Scotland's only option is for them to use the Pound without a union. Disastrous for them but their only choice. They can't use a new currency!
51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 20:45:02
Arun. The rest of the U.K don't get a vote. In your rush to prove the U.K's superiority you are willing to throw people and their families livelihoods under the bus.
"Oh If Scotland vote Yes they will fold and we shouldn't help them, in fact we should cut them off to punish them for daring to be independent ... oh English people, Irish people ... Welsh people whi didn't get a vote will suffer? Oh well F**k them England > Scotland.
It's ordinary people who get fucked by politics Arun. It's important to know that.
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51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 20:47:52
Ska you're turning it. Is it only people like me? It's the SNP that wants independence despite the risks. They try to cause an impossible situation in order to gain the Pound Union.
Ha of course the politicians remain safe. But this debate is the exact reason the Scots should say No.
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51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 20:49:53
I have no interest in the Union. I have an interest in the effect the Union having to bail out Scotland would have on ME. To minimise this risk the No vote must succeed. If that fails, we must not allow any currency union. This is totally selfish of me. But the alternative is me paying more for other people.
I couldn't give a flying fuck monkey about the business these people conduct with each other. Because at the end of the day, they don't give a flying fuck monkey about me.
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51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 21:04:36
So you'd see northerners go destitute to protect southerners from the risk of maybe, possibly having to bail out Scotland if it might, could go bankrupt.
Emmigrate to America.
You'll fit in there.
And while you're at it refuse the NHS, the dole and any other social contract you benefit from as a Brit. Capitalism all the way for you, if other peoples misfortune may in anyway disadvantage you they should be fucked. Why should you in anyway have to support your fellow country men? Remember I'm talking about the Brits - English Brits who will be hurt by your plan of refusing currency union. But screw them by supporting them you leave your self open to having to maybe, possibly help other human beings if it all goes wrong, no one wants that :(
51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 21:05:12
There is a serious credibility issue on the pro-union side. Up until the poll referenced in the thread title, there were no concessions given. It was said that either things stayed the way they were or there was independence for Scotland. Nothing in between.
Now there are talks of devolution of powers etc. Why? Because Scotland leaving the Union is something the establishment is afraid of. It is a loss of power for Westminster. The fear campaign continues to say Scotland can't join the Euro, Scotland can't use the pound, Scotland will be frozen out of the EU. If Scotland votes for independence then all bets are off, nothing in the campaign actually means anything. The UK will not damage itself because of something said in the campaign.
Trade between UK and Scotland is important to both parties, as it is with UK and Ireland, and although there may be some damage done, any damage that can be avoided will be avoided, whether that's through currency unions or whatever. Money is what matters, but until Scotland actually gains independence the UK has to make independence look as unattractive as possible because maintenance of the status quo is what's best for them.
51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 21:08:10
Ska I will not be guilt tripped into thinking differently. I am like a majority of people. We are selfish dickheads who do our utmost to look after ourselves and our friends/family. No. I expect my government to do everything to prevent anyone entering more difficulty. I expect not to pay more unless it is necessary (which is why I disagree with so much of government spending in other sectors).
Also, if I am such a wanker for not wanting to save the North of England; what about the Scots who are voting Yes? They are potentially fucking themselves and the North of England over.
51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 21:09:33
Ska I will not be guilt tripped into thinking differently. I am like a majority of people. We are selfish dickheads who do our utmost to look after ourselves and our friends/family. No. I expect my government to do everything to prevent anyone entering more difficulty. I expect not to pay more unless it is necessary (which is why I disagree with so much of government spending in other sectors).
Also, if I am such a wanker for not wanting to save the North of England; what about the Scots who are voting Yes? They are potentially fucking themselves and the North of England over.
Ace; no. The government may well refuse a currency union. Scotland cannot afford to use anything other than the pound for the reasons Ska keeps going over.
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51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 21:10:47
Independence would be a massive loss of face for the political establishment. To the Tories as the party in power and to Labour as a party with massive historical roots in Scotland and even to the Lib Dems as a significant player in Scottish politics.
But I genuinely hope Westminster for all it's southern bubble leanings does not try to punish it's own constituents in the north (and the wider u.k) to try and prove some silly political economic point :(
51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 21:11:35
You cannot personalise this. These are thousands, millions of people. The clear solution is for the Union to remain intact. If the Yes vote wins - it will be an upheaval no matter what.
What are you saying? Jim is fucked over so I (along with James and millions of others) should split my gut paying more to save him? No! Why can't we stop Jim getting fucked over?
51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 21:15:10
I'm saying whatever happens in the vote fucking ordinary working people over because you bought some economic story from a Chancellor who was caught on camera not knowing his basic times table is ridiculous and politically naive
51% for independence in Scottish referendum poll: 9/9/2014 21:18:02
