I'm pretty sure that the bad reputation was mostly due to the arrogant attitude of some of it's members

how times have changed.

I'm the exception to the rule X-apex

I thought you knew that (A) :)

You're exceptional in many ways, Aranka.

A: I never said we are elitist :) (...) Our average skill level is above average;

ok ok ok but you continue to state you are above average which you are not. the fact that you can gather a team of few average/above average players from top {w} players for a few games does not make you above average in terms of whole clan compared to whole WL community.

A: I never said idf doggy was good because of us (quite the opposite).

Ok. sorry. In this case treat that part of my post as "I doubt any {lighter} or {warlighter} can improve to any reasonable skill level only by turoring he gets inside the clan".. then ok, you may say you have one or two willing to teach who got some eperience in games, but let's be serious for a second: how many "students" can one tutor efficiently teach?

A: Warlightvet is still a member of the Clan of Warlighters (he is even Second-in -Command).

Didn't know that, but still - obviously - your clan is NOT ENOUGH for him.. He did not feel his expectations were fulfilled.. so it's a good example how well suited your clan is for above average players.. At least it seems that way - sorry.

A: He mentioned our single multi as a joke (he is no longer with us anyway).

At first maybe yes, but then bragging about how good he was and so on did not sound anything like a joke. (I'm not limiting my thoughts to this single thread)

A: The reason Lighters take 20 days minimum to change is because thats the shortest time allowed in order for them to change their names!

few posts before you have SPECIFICALLY said it takes "couple of months". Last time i checked there was no month shorter than 28 days, but what the heck, times are changing.. I'm old-fashioned maybe.. Maybe facebook introduced some new awesome 10-day months or something..

A: May I ask why you took the time to attack our clan so vigorously?

First of all - sorry - I did not mean to offend you nor your clan. I just stated my thoughts about your clan and previously about clans in general... did I mean to attack you? NO. i just wanted you to stop your PR which in my opinion is just a bunch of white lies - like that vaunting about being so succesful, that only a couple of months will let you improve from {l} to {w}. When you said that - it sounded awesome, but if anyone has any idea what {l} is and what is more or less needed to join {w}, then it's just so pitiful... so I don't want people like the OP to make some bad decisions based on your deceitful claims.
And for the record - do I need your permission to write posts with my opinion on any subject? I'm sorry that we don't agree on everything. I would very much like to agree with everyone, i really would, but unfortunately it will most likely never happen.

A: I did nothing to offend you or your clan....

Should i be thankful or something?
Is there really anything you can find against WM?
Ok - maybe we are sometimes not the most subtle and/or politically correct. Anything else?

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Ironheart - I don't agree with you - {warlighters} is one of the longest running clans here, its name is perfect in its simplicity and it's continuously under General Arun's command, who is doing good so far in fulfilling his vision of what directiong should the clan go. I see no reasons why he should change the name. Comparison to #elite! -> ♦ ɌeLite ♦ transition is a bad one imho, as it was a whole different story when you think about it...

Doggy Style(or I prefer Fridge) of course I think your clan and almost every other clan (all the real ones at least) are friendly, but REGL has a reputation of being very nice and friendly (because we can`t get a reputation as topclan ;D )

I was using the Lighter-Warlighter thing as an example. I am very sure that people in our clan improve over time; this may not be purely down to Warlighters but I think the same is true for any clan. I challenge any clan that says their members improve solely down to their clan. We improve as we play more, and while we do play more with our clan; surely you play with other players too.

@[REGL]Min34 That sounds like a fat guy who isn't that good looking, so to hook up some girl need to play it all on simpaty :D

So obviously from this bitchfight we can gain two benefits of clans:

*1. A group of people to stand by you.

*2. A reason to get in to pointless arguments where everything is written with emotion and comes out as an attack against another clan.

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Seriously guys... and lady.. The past is in the past. We shouldn't be attacking the histories of clans like Relite, and we definately shouldn't be attacking other clans and putting them down. What happened to online community? That one famous president (I think Abe Lincoln) who said "United we stand, devided we fall," was on to something. Not only should the seperate clans support internally, but they should also support externally and help other player grow and better themselves. Think intermural sports vs competition sports. Same difference, right? Just playing with your friends vs playing with another team.. You still need good sportsmanship either way.
If we all took the time to make friends and help other clans instead of bashing them, it'd be so much better than it is now. Granted, I'm not saying that everyone bashes, but when you get in to fights like this, it builds grudges and grudges are never a good thing to have.

If you're only on here to fight or troll, you should seriously reconsider your life.

So, can we agree to return to existing in harmony? If you're preaching about being such a great clan and teacher, the least you could do is to be open to everyone, and be kind when they state their opinion.

(Btw, not typing a responce right away when you're angry helps a lot with these types of situations. I've been on forums for years and have watched countless sites die because of arguments like this. I know what I'm talking about.)

So.. we good? *crosses fingers*

@[REGL]Min34 That sounds like a fat guy who isn't that good looking, so to hook up some girl need to play it all on simpaty :D

Hardly ever works though.
Women are not some kind of machine where you insert nice and/or symphaty coins and a relationship (underlying sex) rolls out.
It doesn't work that way.

So ... how does it work? I'm asking for a friend.

I'm asking for a friend.

Sure......we've all heard that excuse before xD

doggy style, i can efficiently teach at least 20 people in warlight at the same time, my problem is getting volunteers, so far from warlighters/lighters i have had i think 2-3 max, and most of those were instigated by me.
I think that's what's blocking our level from advancing, most of the members are casual players who prefer roleplaying games and ffas to competitive 1V1s or team games, which to me is a perfectly legit. way of playing :)
arun is right about the alt, that was purely a joke meant to make you laugh for a moment maybe, and then forget about. it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously, i told the person in question warlighters had a really fun atmosphere when he/she asked and he/she wanted to test it.
@arun, i had suggested this a long time ago because i had to keep warlighter requirements low in order to be fair to existing warlighters, since you didn't want to demote anyone, why not have a group, like the one in REGL, of the top warlighters called "prolighters"? (if you don't believe me and think i'm copying on regl look on my profile, it's in my name history from a long time ago :P)
I also agree with arun in that the clan you're in rarely influences progress much, since tutoring can come from outside your clan just as easily as inside.

I'm asking for a friend.



Sure......we've all heard that excuse before xD

It's true, he was asking it for me. And you haven't answered him :p

@[REGL]Min34 That sounds like a fat guy who isn't that good looking, so to hook up some girl need to play it all on simpaty :D

PS: Min34 - i am disappointed your last claim suggests WMs are not friendly or at least less than cpus or regls.. :(

Well REGL accepts people based on if they are nice, not on skill. I doubt elitist clans would accept someone who is being a dick in their test game, however if they don't speak much then and they are good you wouldn't say no.
With us you only need 4 people in REGL to say on our website that you think they should join, this only really happens if you are a nice person to play with.

Arun, please don't use our clan match to say that Warlighters are a clan whose members are above average. Those were your top 5 players, lost 5 - 3, and that was without our best player playing a match (according to the {CS} ladder).

Also REGL is not a very good clan skill-wise, we have quite a few, but you cannot claim you are an above average clan because you lost to an above average clan. I would say you guys have some good players, most are noobs however when I play open games with them.

Warlightvet, 20 at the same time, that means hardly any matches for normal games?
2 - 3 at a time is ok, but if you can do 20 at one time then you are not teaching thoroughly enough. When you are teaching someone, at the end you are supposed to go through every single turn in order saying what was good, what should change and reasons in depth. 20 of those at the same time sounds dodgy.

Please, as Doggy said, do not take this as a personal attack, I just find it annoying when people cannot see the truth about themselves.

The cat once again shows his wit. And we laugh at it. Good job cat!

Aranka watching you navigate a conversation is most amusing.

Hardly ever works though.
Women are not some kind of machine where you insert nice and/or symphaty coins and a relationship (underlying sex) rolls out.
It doesn't work that way.

Someone here (Aranka) is taking a bit too serius me (Red) in this discussion.
I know that's not how it works... It's just that funny that they even make T-shirts saying "i'm already simpatic, i can't even be good looking".


Any resemblance to real events and/or to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. ;) Take it easier, i'm usually not that serious on Warlight.

i take turns on tutoring games slowly, and answer any questions that are asked in detail, but most people don't ask questions so all i have to do is the analysis at the end of the game :)
I try to stay at the level of the person for the analysis, i don't flood the chat with details, if the guy picked a wasteland, for example, i won't start going on about how in this game west africa was probably better than central russia because it was harder to sabotage.

Warlighters is definitely not above average, sorry. There are a few good players in your clan and that is it. I say that not to bash you, but for your own good. Until you realize what your skill level is, you cannot really go about improving it (if that is your goal).

I'm not going to rank all the clans, but you can't possibly think you are above average. Warlightvet and Polakillo went 11-7 in the clan leagues and they are your best players. That puts them there with CPU, but once you get past the first few players your talent drops off a ton. CPU has 6-8 very good players, and many more above average players after that.

I'm looking forward to the next clan challenge because when we did the last one, [WG] only 4 members.

We think we are a very good clan, but realize we still have some improving to do before catching apex or [WM]. And ReLite deserves to be in the very good conversation like us as well IMO. I think AHol belongs in that conversation also. There are a couple very solid clans in that mix too.