True. What I should have said is that some are missing the overall point and being derailed by the claim of 1 person that the person with highest points matter.

is thata definition of warlight fórum? But now its goign the other waya round, we are runnign from both subjects to discuss how we arent talkign about whatw e were supposed to talk about

Anyway, fizer wont consider changing until a decente alternatie is found (even then i doubt he will do anything as he has a tendency to ignore the hanges proposed in the forums), and the ladder stats arent as comprehensive as the system should be (though orange's suggestion is the best i found so far, better than the current system, better than ladders, but not amazing)