look past Nation Cup. Win who have best player on team, not who have the a lot of decent/good player.

well, i think me and Yeon are flattered.

Just see my results you will see that i am far from being the best player in the previous tournament, what made my team won is we put a LOT of effort into it, talk a lot about games, sometimes for hours, with 4 or 5 players, that made the difference a lot more than myself.

I agree with the boot issue. Just set Auto at what you want it and match vote/direct to that also. This should not be decided by trigger happy people.

Why we should put this limit? On past Nation Cup we never speak about this...

Well, you kinda brought it up by referring to Dunga and Yeon. Besides just because the first edition didn't have that rule that doesn't mean the 2nd can't have it. In sports rules gets changed too to try to improve things. I'm not saying the rule should be implemented or not, but there is no reason to do it the exact same way as the first time when you can do it in a different and maybe better way.

^ +1.

I haven't played it before, so I can't say what it should or shouldn't be. But the event should evolve into the best it can be (whatever changes that means).

@Dunga, you are too modest!
@cris, i just think is better allowed the player to play all games, and leave the line up completely free.
@Frank, you are right. Ofc we can change it, but as i already say many time, i think we shouldn't change it.

Gnuff:

It depends on what the goal is. In your scenario (allowing them to play in all games), the team with the best player should win (unless as you say someone does not listen on your team). If you limit their games/formats, then it puts more of a premium on depth (you rely more on the 2nd-3rd best on your team). It also puts more strategy into forming the teams (you have to decide where to put your best players).

Is the goal of this to have a couple top players carry their team, or to find out who has the best collection of players?

I think this question needs to be asked in many of these types of tournaments. Like the clan league for example. In WG, we are using every player that is active, and only two players are playing in 2 of the formats (because we had to). IMO, that is the way it should be. A measure of a clan isn't just if you have two great players IMO. On the other hand, you shouldn't be required to use your weakest link either.

But in this case, you shouldn't really have bad players on your team 1. I think it adds something to have more players relied upon. Otherwise why not just make 4 alternate accounts and play the whole team yourself?

There were rules about alternate accounts in the previous tournament.
And 1 player playing alone is not the best case, the best player is not better than if he would play talking to someone as good as him.

Hmm so let me play with Inferno and Gladiators XD
I will show you that 1 good player with puppet is best case ;)

@pulsey - because gnuffone is not a native speaker and simply does not know english well enough. He doesn't do it because of lazyness or whim..

@gnuffone - nobody will stop you from playing with alts, as we all know gladiators and inferno are not the only ones you have, but for the sake of a good competition, i do believe that in such an event like nations cup, where you want to evaluate TEAMS of different regions, each player in the team should be allowed to play only ONE tournament. that way the teams will HAVE to have many good players, and not one star, who plays all games, and/or dictates the moves to his teammates.

@dunga - i do believe the tournaments should be round robins to eliminate luck factor.. and to prevent some of the best teams to clash and be eliminated early on..

@Roo
Its impossible to make each player play only 1, i dont know if its possible to limit even to 2, 3 would be the correct call if there were any restrictions. Alternates were not allowed, and we even had complainings about it.
And round robins are not possible, since when you start loosing, the interest decline and teams left out the tournament. So it will be single round elimination. Maybe we can finish the tournament before the year ends.
And to avoid big teams clashing we will put them SEEDS, which will be placed in the bracket system and will be teams awaiting other results or playing weaker teams. It will be done similarly to the previous Nations Cup, or any seed tournament.

Gnuffone, you are allowed to puppet others and you are free to do it if you want to, but joining with alts is unfair in my opinion because the main point of this is to play as a team and not alone...

Personally I think we should limit the amount of games an individual can play.

Normally if the division of players is A>B>C>D>E>F>G>H, you would expect a team of ABCD to always beat EFGH.
In the case of team AFGH against BCDE normally the BCDE team would be stronger.
Only difference is that in such a case you don't know the difference in strength between each player and thus the whole is harder to predict.

It's not the goal of any nations cup to make team AFGH into a team AAAA like Gnuffone wants.
That would just defeat the whole purpose of it.

Yeah, seeding teams is definitely a necessity. Maybe something like make four 'pots' A to D, with A the 'strongest' teams and the 'weakest' in D and draw from there to pit A vs D and B vs C. That's one idea to go about that. You might opt for something more elaborate if you have a lot of teams though.

@brisk, i was joking, i know is a bit unfair, and anyway nobody allowe me to do it.
Anyway, if you limit to 2/3 games for player i will be out of my team.
I am bored to lose for not my mistake. Italy haven't much good player, that want really focus for win.
@Aranka, Depends how much is better A on B. If A is a top player, and B only a good player, i am pretty sure that AFGH > BCDE.
I will say for one last time: check past nation cup, i think is enough clear that my thought is supported from the fact that go on final who have the top player and not who have an average of the best players.

So basic question is

We want to be this competition between nation teams? Like soccer or maybe athletic league?

Or we want to be competiton between nations represented by top player (with support of some weaker ones)? Like Davis Cup (and this is not good example, but i cannot think of better one)

Even in the Davis Cup the 2 strongest player of each nation have to face each other and only 3rd and 4th may be hustled.
Only exception to the rule is through disciplinary actions and/or obvious injury sanctioned by the referee.

Doubles have to be announced shortly before commencing the game.

In that case the strongest player plays 1 out of the 4 single games and 1 out of the 1 double games.
So 2 out of 5 would be the max you could achieve there.


@Kingu - It would really depend on how that is all implemented. How do people judge the seed ?? Would past results be taken into account (some teams did not participate previously or have changed significantly) or will they go for perceived strength and weakness (which is very subjective) ??

@Aranka: thanks for info on Davis Cup. As i stated, i cannot think of better example

What is the date limit to put a team and line up ? France will have teams