i remember there used to be a clan ranking thread which gave me lots of LOLs, i think someone should revive it! :-)

Now, some people may argue that things like the clan league already does the job, however, the Clan league did not feature some clans and there were much incidents of players quitting halfway during the tournament.

I'll start something controversial and you guys can list your own opinions :-)

rankings based on average clan skill:

Apex
WM
WG
Ahol
Relite
{RSP}
[REGL] {CS}
VIW
101st/Lynx
WL ninjas
/RSP\
RP
[REGL]
MC
Dragon
Warlighters
Lighters
Juggernauts

i probably missed a few clans here and there, and clans with separate divisions like RSP, REGL and Warlighters get mentioned twice, but let the bickering begin :-)

Lynx is the same as the CS division of REGL, just an elite group.

I think you meant this thread: http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread?ThreadID=5912

They had the ranking like this:

Apex
[WM]
AHOL
[WL]
CPU
[WG]
[REGL]
{warlighters}
FBG
[VIW]
[MC]
{RSP}
{101st}
[TUC]
Dragon
[KK]
Elite
[P]
[Zen-D]
{RING}

NOw, Relite didn't participate the first round (but somehow is allowed to start playing in the second round) and Elite does not really excist anymore.

My rankingw would be:
1 Apex
2 Relite
3 [WM]
4 Ahol
5 [WG]
6 [WL]
7 CPU
8 [VIW]
9 [REGL]
10 {RSP}
11 {warlighters}
12 [MC]
13 {101st}
14 FBG
15 [KK]
16 [P]
17 [TUC]
18 [Dragon]
19 [Zen-D]
20 {RING}

I didn't put RP in it, cause they aren't really a clan, but more a group of players that likes Role Play games, so they know who they can make those games with.

I think number 1, 2 and 3 are far above the rest. Then 4, 5 and 6 are also close to eachother. Same for 7,8 and 9. I also think that 10, 11, 12 and 13 are very very close together. The reason that [WM] is third is because some of their better members have become inactive.

I'd have it like this:

1 Apex
2 WM
3 Relite
4 Ahol
5 [WG]
6 [WL]
7 CPU
8 Warlighters
9 [REGL]
10 VIW
11 101st
12 RSP
13 MC
14 Dragon
15 TUC
16 FBG
17 KK
18 P
19 [Zen-D]
20 {RING}

Relite have some really good players, but then they have quite a few players like MG and Aranka who are only pretty good. Whereas with apex, apart from me, every single player is top-tier.

WM are kind of the same, they have a few players I've barely heard of. Like Lao Mao, who seems only to play real-time games on weird templates.

are you guys counting clan acivity as well lol?

the list says average clan skill, there are 3 members in RSP, i dont see how the combined skill of us 3. can be any worse CPU, Warlighters, REGL, VIW, which have like 50 members each. In fact, i think we would be 3rd, but our clan activity would be near bottom (we have no clan chat :P)

:)

That is why I put you in the middle, You guys are good players, but not very well organised :p

I want just remember that on last clan League WM and apex ended with same points. And WM lost last 3 3v3 bc artham get inactive.

I would say:

1- wm and apex [it is hard to say which is better]
2- relite
3 onwards- crap

MC RSP, and dragon are all dead clans

i agree with min34's list, with sliding in relite at third or fourth

We all know people base the majority of these rankings on 1vs1 results by comparing players individually.
What people tend to forget is that an alliance isn't supposed to be just the sum of it's players. Factors which also factor in is their stability as a team and their performance when playing together.
While I think the average Apex player might be just slightly better then the average Relite player on 1vs1 strat, I would argue that in teamgames an average random team of 2 or 3 Relite players versus an equal amount of Apex players would win.

With regards to WM, they're indeed suffering from the loss of some active players. I used to know and recognize half of them, but so far there's only 4 of them I can really remember. Good players, but apart from Gnuffone not really a group which I would prescribe such an impact factor.

Gnuffone is overrated

Apex: laomao obtained the best 1v1 result in the first clan league if i remember right. He is underrated, but overall a complete good player.

My list:

1. Apex and WM

even despite a few players like Trilussa, Artham, Tauceti and Szeweningen retired, we are still strong

2. ɌeLite

mainly not due to skill, but simply because a few bad apples make some really bad PR for you. btw you guys DO have a few bad players in the clan but let's not start another bashing fest.. (bad like in relatively bad compared to WM/apex level - still better than average warlight player of course)

3. AHoL and WG

AHoL so low, because they seem to get less and less active these days, which has visible impact on their gameplay.. (in fact i personally have the same problem at the moment tbh)
WG so high on the other hand, because they improve very fast

4. REGL{cs}, 101[lynx], CK

because these are the only groups that i know of that are capable of beating the abovementioned from time to time

5. VIW, CPU, WL, FBG,

because i remember some good games with people from those. CPU and VIW would end up one point higher, but they have to many bad players and AFAIK unlike regl, or 101st they don't have an elitist group so i cannot be more specific, and i decided not to judge those clans by the strongest link

6-59.

nothing besides individual players, but in my opinion it should not be treated as an overall determinant of clan quality

60. still nothing...

61-99. nothing here as well..

100. all the other clans

^ based solely on my personal experience, so if anyone feels his clan should be mentioned, i am sorry, but either i forgot or simply have not played enough games with you.

I agree at all with Roo.

Gnuffone is overrated

Isn't true.

I think Roo's list is very accurate also.

I think I'd put Apex slightly ahead of WM right now based on the retirements, but I could see either winning the clan league.

I could see AHol and/or WG ahead of ReLite in the clan league as well, only because there is less depth in that clan. I don't know how many players they are using though. WG is using EVERY player that is active rather than just trying to stack with the best players. IMO, depth counts in a clan. One reason to be in a clan is to improve your level of play by being with other good players. I seriously doubt the top two in ReLite gain any benefit there from the rest of their clan.

I say:

1 Apex
2 WM
3 Relite
4 Ahol
5 [WG]
6 CPU
7 [WL]
8 VIW
9 101st
10 [REGL]
11 RSP
12 FBG
13 Warlighters
14 MC
15 TUC
16 Dragon
17 KK
18 P
19 [Zen-D]
20 {Ring}

i don't agree on say Apex>WM
We ended tie on last Clan League.

Well, you lost 4 players (didn't know one of them personally), and Apex gained a couple good players. I also think their presence on the ladders is better right now (like WM was a few months ago). To me that breaks the tie.

Like I said, I wouldn't write you off from #1 spot in this clan league though.

It is debatable both WM and Apex are obviously the best clans, they are just as good as each other. You both are capable of being number 1