Thanks for confirming it. Brisk in "Nations Cup - Reminder game" (http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=4626384) mentioned also restriction of 4 games per player max... is it true?

nope, isn't true. i remember that we try to speak about restrivted to 3/4/5, but in conclusion we don't decide nothing, so i guess one player can still play how many match he want.
Also last time we counted, we see that 4 max games was not possible for a team with only 5 player.

19 games, if only 4 match for each player:
5 player for max 4 games, mean that almost all player have to play 4 games, and this make very hard found player for game. Not all player want play so many games, some want play only 1 max 2.

Brazil 1 has 1 more player,
BioVII - http://warlight.net/Profile?p=5513010288

and all games of brazil 1 x croatia 2 were created.

Also i am curious about game limitation, and how the games are counted.

limit of 4 match is almost impossible to do for some nation.

total points are 13, not 15 (so if you have 7 points you win).
and if we count it this way:
2 1v1 players
4 2v2 players
6 3v3 players
5 5v5 players

then it's 17 games in total, so I don't think it's impossible.

impossible to have limit of 4*

there are 4 1v1 brisk ;) so 19 games 8 point for win.
2 player, both they play both opponent, and i agree, ofc limit of 4 is impossible.
Considering that one player could play 7 game if he play all games that he want, let's make a limit of 6 should be balanced imho.
a limit of 5 still be very hard, beacuse means that if a nation have only 5 player, and 1/2 of them want play only 1/2 games, all other 3 have to play 5 games.
very hard, if you want make a limit, make 6 or small team will have big handcap.

I thought we were doing this:

Two 1v1 players (4 games total)
Two 2v2 players (1 game total)
Three 3v3 players (1 game total)
Five 5v5 players (1 game total)

ALL: Total of 14 'players' (7 games total).

5 games should be the max you can play. How can you even play 6 games? That is impossible without an alternate account for 2v2 play. Otherwise you are both players in the 1v1 (playing all 4 games). I thought we already agreed to 5 game limit weeks ago.

I don't see what is hard about that. It means you are playing 1 game in each of the formats, which should be all that is allowed. IMO, you should be limited to 4 games, forcing you to use more of your roster. Any limit over 5 is crazy IMO. It means you are using alternates, which I think is unfair.

I just don't see how it is difficult to only play 5 games. It means you are requiring a total of 10 games to be played by other players (Two 1v1, One 2v2, Two 3v3, Four 5v5). You can't get 4+ other people to cover those 10 slots?

There is definately some confusion on how many 2v2's and 3v3's we are playing. Look at JSA's lineups (page 1-2). He only has 1 team of each. Are we doing 1, or 2 of those each?

Here is the original post by dunga:

"Each team will have 2 players playing strategic 1v1 and strategic 2v2 (a total of 6 games at 1 point worth each victory)
Each team will have 3 players playing Europe 3v3 games (2 games at 2 point worth each victory).
Each team will have 2 or 4 more players to play the 7v7 games, and more players to sit as reserves are allowed."

Obviously we switched to 5v5 instead of 7v7. But there it says two matches of 2v2 and 3v3 each. So I guess you have the option of just doing a rematch with the same teams. That seems pointless to me. Either only do a single matchup in each, or require a completely different set of teams in 2v2 and 3v3.

If that is the case, then yes the limit needs to be 6 games instead of 5.

LMAO, I just noticed I copied that from the 2012 thread. Oops, but it does say same format.

Still, 5 games max isn't an issue, it just means you'd need 15 slots covered by 4+other people. That isn't a lot to ask of other people to play 4 games each.

4 1v1 matchs, 2 player required
2 2v2 matchs, 2 or 4 player required
2 3v2 matchs, 3 or 6 player required
1 5v5 matchs, 5 player required.

total 9 match, 19 slot for player. total 15 points, 8 for win.
if there are no limit, one player can play:
2 1v1 games(same player cannot play 4 games, this was already rule of 2012)
2 2v2 games
2 3v3 games
1 5v5 games
so 7 games.
you want limit? ok, to 6.
5 is too hard to manage to get for a nation with only 5 player:
menas that 2 player play 5 games, and other 3 player 3 games everyone. Very hard. I know some player want play only 1 games, and if they have more free time they are ok for 2 games, but is hard get 2x5 games and 3x3 games :(
If you do this, small nation will cannot play.

Why limit it? It's fine the way it is and it's not worth a big debate or vote on it in my opinion.

Well, you can have more than 5 players though. Assuming some people only want to play the 5v5 and 3v3, and you only have 5 people, that means you could do this:

1v1 - A & B
2v2 - AB & CD
3v3 - ABC & DEF
5v5 - ABCDEF

Total games:
A - 5
B - 5
C - 5
D - 5
E - 2
F - 2

Or use a 6th player (just to play a couple games) and you have...

1v1 - A & B
2v2 - AB & CG
3v3 - ABC & EFG
5v5 - ABCDEF

Total games:
A - 5
B - 5
C - 4
D - 4
E - 2
F - 2
G - 2

I'm OK with the 6 game max though. But that would mean that player is on two teams in either 2s or 3s. Why the rule (to not play all games) for 1s but not 2s and 3s?

@JSA: I guess I don't really care, I'm just trying to understand why a person is allowed to play multiple slots in team games when that wasn't allowed in solo play. Really, it depends on what the intent of the contest is. Is this team "Nation X" or team "Player X" (where the person puppets the team)?

Is the goal to see how strong a small group is, or to measure how the best player can do steering the team?

I guess I am confused because it seemed like we set the limit at 4 games per person here:

http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread?ThreadID=6221&Offset=180

Even you were agreeing with it Gnuff.

And when we talk about a limit of 5 in the current thread, all of a sudden that is hard/unfair. I'm just confused because I thought the rules had already been finalized. I just need to know what Dunga wants, because we might have to add additional teams for 2s and 3s.

imho it'd better if nobody was allowed to play in different teams of the same gametype.

How about this? We take out a 2v2, a 3v3, and make the 5v5 worth only 2 points? Then we don't have to worry about duplicate games.

naah - Warlight is not all about 1v1s.

yes - i know probably some troll will all of a sudden jump out of nowhere to brag about masterrace and stuff.. but the truth is - teamgames are as important as 1v1s in this game, and for many they are more.