Shut up me

Look at what happened when we stopped big brotheren syria

Look what happened when you did...

ISIS was released da da daaaaaaaaa

Like it matters, the world is controlled by 5 people, all these 'governments' and 'elections' are just a farce.

Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?

Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMS6tGOACo

Hahaha this is a funny conspiracy

Isis/Is can be blamed on the fall of Saddam Hussein. Now we all know which President proudly barged in there now don't we ? ;-)

America can go into Syria today itself. They will only make it worse. Democracy and the style of the Western world stands in contrast to Islamic beliefs. Yes you can obliterate any opposition. Yes you can force your views like you did in Iraq and Afghanistan. And yes, it will lead to another IS or another reactionary force.

Bed bath and beyond, fuck yeah? (fuck yeah?)

FUCK YEAH

I do t support everyone having a gun in America. And I am an American. When the founding fathers created that amendment, people had MUSKETS! Now anyone an be an attack rifle and shoot up a school and Republicans (who are the main supporters of this and also the anti-Evolution issue which I'll bring up) can't give up on that thought! Completely stupid. Insane is how some people fanatically reject evolution. That's all I have to say. And I hate it when people call me gun fanatic or a hyperpatriot because I am American.

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I think schools should not teach evolution or creationism. Like I've said about homosexuality, that should be a decision left for our own children's research and thoughts.

Also, this does not derail the topic, this is a response to Andrew's evolution statement.

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As a response to Ghengis: On the flip side, they need to be taught both, so they can use the knowledge to further the area of their choice.

On the main topic: As a Canadian son of an American woman (and a Canadian man) I feel rather ashamed of America. All this arguing and fighting in the senate is getting them nowhere. Their interference across the world is mostly unnecessary. They should maybe ease up on the world, and give countries a little more leeway to solve their own problems. They can help of course, but the forced "freedom" is overdoing it.

2 amendment was made so that the people can defy government when needed

Its true that America is not what it used to be. No nation is; the world as a whole is changing morally and ethically faster then anyone can follow. But I as an American am not ashamed of the wars we fought. Many world views about our interventions only exist because people think we lost. Isn't the Taliban evil? North Vietnam? No one complains about, say, our intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo. Some dark spots exist- such as our use of drones and inflated national debt- but those are partly because of the changing ways of the wars nowadays. Frankly there is a lack of participation from much of the world to buckle down, admit some folks act evil and need to be dealt with (Taliban, ISIS, North Korea), and then get shit done.

Many don't give America and the American people enough credit. We truly do want to do what is right, and I believe in our government's will do to the moral thing- not just make money. That's part of the reason our senate can't agree- the world is filled with controversy these days. Honestly, if you were put in a room with people with opposing views as your own and forced to try and compromise, would you be able to? Senators are humans too; its understandable although disappointing that they cannot achieve compromise.

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Also, is there anything wrong with wanting to stop those that would act maliciously? Nations such as Iraq and Afghanistan, that fall apart at the seams and host terrorists that then go and detonate themselves in crowded squares, have failed as a nation and need assistance. If it ever got to the point at which the Government collapsed, and roving gangs started beheading whole neighborhoods, I would dearly hope someone would intervene. At some point we must sit down and decide where the grey area stops.

On the gun issue: The Second Amendment exists for one purpose: to protect the citizenry from the government. Crime has nothing to do with it, in fact many say that widespread weapon ownership contributes to crime. However, take away citizen armaments and there would be nothing in the way of a military installment of a dictatorship, and an unwilling suppression of rights across the board. The moment the nation outlaws weapons is the moment it gives up its personal freedoms for the future- thus, the Second Amendment is a safeguard more than anything; an investment in the freedoms of future generation.

^ agree

Isn't the Taliban evil? North Vietnam? No one complains about, say, our intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo.

The sort of argument you see in Cold War era textbooks. The US of A funded the Taliban to fight the Soviets. Their little monster grew out of control. Classic American misjudgement. North Vietnam ? America lost that that war because of the loss of support from the very people they were "saving" from evil. I am sure if I were a Vietnamese villager I would despise Agent Orange. Nor would I tolerate Napalms raining on me while I plowed my fields.

We truly do want to do what is right, and I believe in our government's will do to the moral thing

Bush and morals ? Ha. You made me laugh there.

Mate, will you rationalize Drone attacks like that ?
Bosnia eh ? I remember how International Justice worked out there. Milosevic the killer died in prison pending trial while his victims lay rotting. Collective action is not always the way to go.

Why didn't America go bombing Rwanda while the ethnic cleansing occurred ? Why wasn't the National Party of South Africa and their Apartheid ideology blown apart ? And please, do explain why Latin America was persistently abused by the USA during the 20th century. Are they all morally right ?

America can proudly proclaim they are Imperialists who seek to assert their views just like the Europeans before them and it would be a question of what is the lesser evil. Right now, it is about attacking blatant hypocrisy in their Foreign Policy.

A very bad foreign policy history, mixed in with a little too much 'freedom' demanding trigger happy people.

Anyone can say what the United States did not intervene then, but how to say it, what they intervene?
It helps them? Afghanistan initially helped them against Russia, and they fought against America, with terror organizations, then they were wrong, and they tried to defeat them after they rudely attacked the World Trade Center, and the state helped them.
You even say they had to help South Africa and other countries but then you say it Imperialists?
You're contradicting yourself, and if they say they do not want to help because it is a waste of money, you will agree to help? I want to see, right Obama is a fool, but he does not owe you anything.

Genghis, you don't think schools should teach basic science?

That's all evolution is. Creationism isn't science. There is no scientific evidence for it. On the other hand, evolution is one of the best-supported scientific theories, with evidence and predictions coming from multiple disciplines.

On the original question: I think the US are doing their best in the world they can. We give them a lot of shit, and that is logical. When something doesn`t work out the way we wanted we want to blame somebody, in these cases it often is america (while Europe isn`t any better). It is good they are trying to help, just a shame they sometimes are a bit ignorant. I think that is the biggest problem.
About the gun problem or any similar problem: Although I personally don`t agree with it, I also don`t really care about it. I don`t live in the US so it isn`t my problem (might sound a bit blunt but I`m just being realistic here. Most humans don`t accually care for what happens to anybody outside their personal circle)