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Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/15/2015 22:51:39


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Sure, I'll put you on the list.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/15/2015 23:42:48


AlternateHistoryGuy
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Sweet! This is the first map I'll test!
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 08:55:06


Urfang
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Жұқтыру remember this is the historical Principality of Transylvania. Roughly its half part of present day Romania, other half part of present day Ukraine, Slovakia, and Hungary. The main nationalities in this time were romanians, hungarians, saxon-germans, ruthenians, and less slovakians, serbs, bulgarians, cumans, tartars. Some cities like Miskolc, Nyíregyháza, Debrecen and the Szeklerland were certainly hungarians and there are still up to now. Uzhorod, Munkacheve, and Khust are and were ruthenian, Kassa is and was slovakian. After the turkish wars in the 18. century the Habsburgs relocated more germans and the immigration from Wallachia and Moldova led to romanian majority. So basically it was a multiethnic region. I suggested hungarian names because the principals (Bethlen, Báthory, Rákóczi dinasties) were hungarians, the noble class were the szekler hungarians and the saxon citizens.

As I saw zxctycxz used turkish names everywhere under turkish administration, this is why I thought these names would be better. And as I wrote there are some geographically misplaced city like Uzhorod, Munkacheve, Khust, and Oradea.

I can make a more precise list where the names depend on population majority. But actualy this present version can be good too just not as accurate as it could be.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 12:46:55

Lionheart
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1 thing I'd like to suggest is dividing HRE in 2 parts, Catholic and Protestant, just because this war happened mostly because of hostility between those 2 parts.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 13:36:17


Жұқтыру
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Excellent idea, Lionheart.

Also, let's let ZXC decide. Although Hungarian was the nobility name, Romanian was the most popular name.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 14:03:11


Tyrcae
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you can use "province" instead of "Eyalet" in Turkey.same mean

ed2: check Novgorod and Rostov and Russia is invisible

ed3: check http://imgur.com/xn5QVSM there are some problem specialy Istanbul,Edirne and Gelibolu and dont forget Istanbul Strait.

Canakkale =>Galiopoli
Tekirdağ and Kırklareli are old pieces of Edirne

Ferecik Vasilikoz and Hasköy are in false places. They are Grecee's provinces but they are in Ottoman's zone

ed4:i think you have not use colonies, its almost great.Colonies make it complicated to playing comfort.Map already have too many territory. Game in game is not good idea for me.simplicity is beauty

Edited 3/16/2015 14:44:35
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 14:28:21


Жұқтыру
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Also, one thing that's been bothering me:

You put the dot in Izmir, but not in Istanbul. Either don't put a dot on either them, or put a dot on both them.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 19:02:05


Urfang
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I think in the 17. century Principality of Transylvania lived 1-2 million people. 20% romanians in Ardeal, 20% german-saxons in Siebenbürgen, 20% hungarians in Szeklerland and the west, 10% ruthenians in north, 5% slovakians in north-west, and also serbians in south-west, cumans and tartars everywhere, not easy to search authentic names indeed.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 20:01:46


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Urfang and Жұқтыру: I'm fairly on the fence about whether to use Hungarian or Romanian, I'll come to a decision at some point.

Lionheart: I'm going to make some religious bonuses for th map as a whole once I finish making territories.

Tyrcae: They will be accessible soon, but I haven't finished making all the territories yet.

Жұқтыру: Whenever I research it, Izmir always seems to have the dot, but I never see Istanbul with the dot, are you sure it needs one?
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 20:07:56


Tyrcae
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realy i dont understand dots why you dont draw it normaly
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 21:04:50


Жұқтыру
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Yeah, I'm sure of it.

I've no idea why Izmir gets the dot more often, but, oh well.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 21:05:29


Aldehyde
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missing connections between:

Stuttgart and Kempten in Southern Holy Roman Empire just north of Zurich
Hof and Bamberg just west of Prague.
Holyatyn, Ustrzyki which is south of Lviv.
Mahilyow and Zaharanki west of Minsk.
Polatli and Derbent southwest of Ankara.
additional connection between Mažeikiai and Vainode.

Edited 3/16/2015 21:24:25
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/16/2015 23:51:15


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Tyrcae, it's because the Turkish language was in a more Arabic form in writing until the demise of the Ottoman Empire and the creation the Republic of Turkey in the 1920s. Ataturk, I think he was called, reformed the nation, including changing how Turkish was written over to a Latin alphabet. There are many sounds that exist in the spoken language of Turkish that don't in European languages, so various symbols had to be created to account for this. The large I with a dot is one of them.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/17/2015 08:31:55


Tyrcae
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I m Turkish, dont teach me it , this is a frustrating situation, it seems weird for me , Turkish and English words in same sentence. lol.so if you did mean as you said dont use of! "of" is not Turkish or Arabic am i wrong.
use it as ex: Karaman Eyaleti,Rumelia Eyaleti Cyprus Eyaleti etc . this is more Turkish than

you are so rude

Edited 3/17/2015 11:00:09
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/17/2015 12:07:46


Urfang
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What about Bağçasaray in Crimea? Bağçasaray is an inland town not coastal. Its place what you call Agyar, and Agyar is the coastal town, because it is the tartar name of Sevastopol. So you should just exchange Bağçasaray and Agyar.

And if Agyar is the naval center it would be more ideal for waterway than Baliklava wich means in tartar just fishing coast.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/17/2015 13:30:19


Жұқтыру
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Aqyar at this point was just a placename, later the Crimean name for Sevastopol, when it was founded in the late 1700s.

Balaklava has existed for quite a while, although a small town.

Bağçasaray should be moved more inland, I agree, though.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/17/2015 18:06:04

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About Turkey btw, Istanbul wasnt yet the official name of that city, am I right?
It was still Constantinople or Kostantiniyye in Turkish...
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/17/2015 18:50:14


Tyrcae
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angry panda :S false information .İstanbul is İstanbul since 1453

Edited 3/17/2015 18:51:24
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/17/2015 20:28:46


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Angry Panda:
The City has had multiple names throughout its lifetime.
It was originally called Byzantium under Classical Greco-Roman cultures until 330 CE, when Emperor Constantine renamed it Constantinople. It kept this name until the Ottoman conquest of the city in 1453, when it was renamed Constantinople. It retains this name today.

Tycae, if you want to be offended then fine, but I'm not being rude. Plus, I don't really get your point, but if you want to talk about the names of territories in general, speak with Жұқтыру, because he's the one who's provided names for most of them.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 3/17/2015 21:13:11

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Tyrcae:

Kostantiniyye (Arabic القسطنطينية, al-Qusṭanṭiniyah, Ottoman Turkish قسطنطينيه Kostantiniyye) is the name by which the city came to be known in the Islamic world. It is an Arabic calqued form of Constantinople, with an Arabic ending meaning 'place of' instead of the Greek element -polis. After the Ottoman conquest of 1453, it was used as the most formal official name in Ottoman Turkish, and remained in use throughout most of the time up to the fall of the Empire in 1923.

Istanbul was the common name for the city in normal speech in Turkish even before the conquest of 1453, but in official use by the Ottoman authorities other names, such as Kostantiniyye, were preferred in certain contexts.



So, Istanbul wasnt the official name of that city until 1923. Kostantiniyye/Constantinople is more appropriate.

Edited 3/17/2015 21:14:21
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