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Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/9/2015 01:03:45


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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It's Black Country not Black County, but if it's wrong, I'll remember to change it.
The region I called South Anglia was labeled as such somewhere, but it would seem this isn't a particularry good name, so I'll see if I can find a better one. As for Wessex, it's actually where I live at the moment, and the name is still used quite a lot around here even today. Examples include Wessex Water and Wessex Bus.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/9/2015 01:16:31

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I think you made two mistakes there.

1: 'Spanish Town' during Spanish tenure in Jamaica island. I found St. Jago de la Vega as the original name.

2: France in Hispaniola island by 1618 and Port-au-Prince founded. I guess you can go with it as this is a better distribution than Spain controlling all Greater Antilles.

2.1: But Port-au-Prince was certainly less important than Santo Domingo (current Dominican Republica's capital).

Btw, loved your job. Will Spanish Empire's territories in Americas make an appearance (Viceroyalty of Peru, Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata, Viceroyalty of New Spain etc)?

EDIT: Because of the thread name I thought you would make all colonies. Now I got the Thirty Years' War thing.

Edited 2/9/2015 01:28:19
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/9/2015 02:04:29


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Well this map isn't really 1618 anymore, it's some time between 1625 and 1635, as shown by the colonies. The problem is, Spain often ends up really OP in these sorts of maps, because it had loads more territory than all the other nations. That's why I've tried to miss out New Spain, Peru and the others.

Edited 2/9/2015 02:07:19
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/9/2015 16:05:46


Urfang
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It will be an excellent map. Maybe the first one wich can represent the HRE in its complexity. And it can fulfill the WL playability and historical accuracy as well. Great job, I would like to test it.

If you need it I can help to find source for contemporary eastern european administrative divisions. For example the captaincies of the Habsburg occupied Hungary, vilayets of Ottoman Europe, counties of Transyvania, or Vlach, Moldovan, Polish-Lithuan stuff.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/9/2015 17:27:30

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Are you going to leave north America how it is?Maybe it would be good to add some idian lands
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/9/2015 18:10:58


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Is there any particular reason why you have chosen to include so many Imperial cities? With this many, it might make that area a bit overpowered (i prosume they aren't the final bonus values though). Also Milan should be included as a city.

If you made Scotland a diferent coulour due to it being a personal union, shouldn't you make Portugal a seporate coulour too?
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/9/2015 21:21:33


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Urfang: The Map I'm using at the moment, rather amazingly, shows all the administrative regions, so I'm mostly okay to be honest. However, it doesn't show border for the various Russian Principalties or the three Ottoman dependencies in Europe, Wallachia, Moldova and Transylvania. If you an find any of that, then I would be very grateful. One other thing, those two territories just east of Pomerania, do you know what they are part of? I can't find out.

Lionheart: I'll probably end up including North America tribes. What I normally do with maps is do the essential stuff first then add other things that might make it more interesting. For example, I wasn't actually going to include Kievan Rus' on A Tale of Four Cities at first.

MrOobling: I'm glad you brought this up actually. As you may or may not know, the Thirty Years War mainly took place in the HRE, where there were valuable yet divided states. I want to reflect this in the map by making the armies-to-territories ratio high, but at the same time have (almost) every last duchy, bishopric, county and so on. This should force the hosts of diplomacy games to set it up well.

Colours are supposed to represent where the real power lies. In Iberia, the real power was with the Iberian Union, as it was a very close personal union. It was similar in Austria, where it is also all the same colour. However, with the Stuart Domains and HRE, the power was mainly with the individual kings (former) and duchies etc (latter), so they are all different colours. Does that explain it?

Edited 2/10/2015 01:44:37
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/10/2015 07:37:33


Urfang
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The question is what is the year what you want. Wallachia and Moldova was relative stable, but the borders of Transylvania was very liquid in this period. The principals of Transylvania have changed their dependency between Habsburgs and Ottomans, thus the western borders have changed in East Carpathian and East Great Plain too, so it matter that the year is 1618, 1648, or between these.

As I know in east from HRE the area of Gdansk was part of Poland-Lithuania and from Königsberg to Memel was part of Prussian Princedom.

And there are swedish lands in West Pomerania near Lübeck and in East Frisia near Bremen, but just since the peace of Westphalia, so the time is the question.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/10/2015 14:38:11


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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I suppose I'm just looking for the official border before the Ottoman-Hapsburg wars ended. Like this:

Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/10/2015 17:43:35


Aldehyde
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There is a missing connections in Quebec and another one territory north of Montreal.

Edited 2/10/2015 17:51:12
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/10/2015 20:34:47


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Okay, I've fixed that.

Open question here. In much of Central Europe, there's often more than one name for a city, as it's in different languages. So far, I've been converting all the names into their German form, but now I'm coming onto the Crown of Hungary. Do you think I should convert the names into Hungarian (because it's Hungary) or convert them to German (because it's ruled by Austria)?

Edited 2/11/2015 00:32:26
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/10/2015 20:37:03


Жұқтыру
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German.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/10/2015 22:02:49


Urfang
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They name can be even croatian, slavonian, hungarian, slovakian and ruthenian. Or if not the names but the bonus regions can be even Croatia, Slavonia, Hungaria, Slovakia, Ruthenia.

This map maybe not help to split the regions but very similar with yours:


Here in high detail
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Magyar-_%C3%A9s_Erd%C3%A9lyorsz%C3%A1g_1629-ben_%28Pallas%29.jpg

And this map shows the western border of Transylvania both before and after the Thirty Years War



Something like this was Transylvania in 1645

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Siebenb%C3%BCrgen_1300-1867.jpg
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/11/2015 19:05:13


Urfang
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Nice bonuses I notice only some naming issues. Kaposvár was in Ottoman territory under the Balaton, and Dunaújváros just didnt existed because built in 1951 after WW2. And many other names misplaced.

My name changing suggestions:
Kaposvár -> Varasd
Dunaújváros -> Veszprém
Veszprém -> Sopron
Érd -> Győr
Pozsony -> Komárom
Miava -> Pozsony
Simony -> Nyitra
Rajec -> Trencsény
Rimaszombat -> Nógrád
Rozsnyó -> Rimaszombat
Bystrica -> Beszterce
Kassa -> Eperjes

Or you can use slovakian names in north (hun-slo, Nyitra-Nitra, Trencsény-Trencin, Zsolna-Zilina, Rózsahegy-Ružomberok, Beszterce-Bystrica, Eperjes-Presov)

And do not redraw if you dont want but I have to tell that Budapest was in the Ottoman side, a little bit south-east from there, at the top of turkish land. Habsburgs conquered just later in 1686.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/12/2015 08:51:06


Urfang
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Well Done. Now is precise. Just it seems you confused the central and south bonus.

If you let me few other suggestions I think Ardeal(orange) and Partium(blue) would be ideal bonuses for Transylvania, and if you place city in Transylvania than Kolozsvár(purple) would be good historic and strategic center.

And also would be cool if two territories in Ardeal can represent the Szeklerland (Székelyföld) and Saxonland (Siebenbürgen). These are the blue and yellow regions in the eastern edge.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/12/2015 15:50:37


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Okay, thanks for the help. But I think I'm going to try and finish the colonial theaters, Denmark-Norway, and Sweden before I do Transylvania.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/12/2015 17:44:46

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Why did you put the Shetland Isles in that box? There's no need because you don't get to reduce the height of the map by putting it there.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/12/2015 21:22:24


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Yeah, the reason I did that was because the map in't big enough to include Iceland, so I need to put Iceland in a box in the top-left. This requires moving Shetland south and into a box. Does this answer your question?
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/14/2015 02:19:53


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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I'm going to be away for the next week, so we're not going to see any progress on the map until then.
Europe + Colonies 1618: 2/15/2015 15:45:23


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I would like to test, looks pretty good so far!
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