You think atheists always kill people with proper reason.

Who said that? No one, try again

Actually Lawlz, depending on the country/side/role in the war, it was a VERY different war.

Most accept Germany's declaration as the start and Japanese surrender as start and end, 1939 - 45.
Ethiopians or Britons might consider the Abyssinian War as the start ( as Abyssinia would become a battlegrund more than once in the same period ( hint hint 1940 ) ) in 1933.
Chinese might consider the start also at 1933, the Japanese invasion of them, but the end at the Chinese Civil War in 1949 ( or whenever ) since they never said they would stop fighting and might consider it a phase of the same war.

It gets down to the name too.
Russia - Great Patriotic War
US - WW2

For the Japanese, this war was one of Honor and Loyalty to the Emperor and Japan, for the Russians this was one of camaraderie, defending your homes and showing perseverence.

WW2 is easy to generalize - All wars are. Everything is. But.

All Generalizations are false. Including this one. - Mark Twain

Nice attempt at a derailment

Who else but Genghis?

"Jesus wants me to kill dem niggers!" Yea those are the people that just use it as an excuse to kill. But Jesus doesn't want us to kill others.

And do you think an atheist world would be peaceful?

It would be about the same as normal, people killing people and doing horrific acts, but with proper consequences.

Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous how the Iraqi government is allowing ISIS to exist because of it's religion. Same with Syria.

In fact, it's absolutely ridiculous that the US is allowing religion to exist, what a backwards country it is, to still believe in god.

US is allowing religion, what a backwards country it is

100% completely agree. Maybe if the separation of church and state was actually enforced, we would be able to move forward with legislation that needs to exist.

No ; we shouldn't let go of Judeo-Christian values when considering legislation. We've been led astray before, and nowadays we influence and almost control the world economy. Besides,
we've built so wide this round of Civ that we need to start putting our faith production to culture production to tourism production to Cultural Victory because
A. Domination is out of the way ( Nukes are involved, UN is useless at those )
B. There's not enough City-States remaining for it to be possible to swing the World Leader vote in your favor.
C. It'll be another 50 years - 2 centuries before we reach Alpha Centauri, and frankly other Civilizations are already going for cultural , some are trying to hit Domination for some reason and everybody else is too sciency production for us.

U.S.' Position in terms of Civ 5 ( with G&K , BNW and all DLCs )

we shouldn't let go of Judeo-Christian values when considering legislation

Oh you absolutely should, because all it does is cut out certain people from rights, and anyone who doesn't follow your cult gets cut out. All rights belong to every person, this isn't nazi Germany. And btw, Science victory is far better than culture, but you're just a christian so I don't blame you for making that mistake *pats head*

Christians= don't cut out. Everybody gets the same benefits.

What you do not understand, even if there is no religion, will still be a war, it's not about religion, it's about values and tolerance, for example, you talk about the movement of radical Islam, even Muslims are not sure really what is really the Koran, because all the versions, For now it seems that most people died because of the parties atheistic (Nazism and communism), and civil wars big, it's not about religion, people will always find what to fight, honor, religion, money, national and world view, should just teach people to be tolerant,,, Assad massacre in so many Syrian them to be quiet, why then no one accused the western atheist Assad?

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Christians= don't cut out.

Gay marriage, trans rights, abortion, etc....

just teach people to be tolerant

Fucking lol. I hope you aren't serious, because you are the worst person to give advice on tolerance.

We are not suppose to mistreat those people even if they don't belive what we belive.

And btw, Science victory is far better than culture, but you're just a christian so I don't blame you for making that mistake *pats head*

That depends on what civ you are and how the game is going.

Depending on how I want to play ( in this case cultural ), I pick different civs.
I like playing as Ethiopia since Stele is such OP at an early stage. While other nations have just started getting policies regularly, you've been hitting a new one every 5 turns because of the cultural bonuses from your strong faith. Turtling up makes things even better.

If I want to play as Science, I go Nebu ( OP science production early on, and then depending on how you go with your specialists you could get another one before Medieval for super OP science ). Some people like to pick Sejong and Ashurbanipal, but I think the tech boosts don't cut it when you could have +8 science every turn. And, Early game conquests can really lead to economic ruin with Ashurbanipal.

That said, the SDC victories are all a little lame being all late-game focused, meanwhile Domination is the coolest just because you can win by Turn 150 potentially as Rome ( or Byzantium ).

A true Christian belief is one of love and compassion. Christianity teaches homosexuality is a sin. However, we are all sinners. I don't support gay marriage in any way, because I am a Christian, and believe it is wrong. But I think many Christians treat homosexuality as an almost "unforgivable sin" which is not what the Bible teaches. Every sin is forgivable because of Jesus' death on the cross. I think transgenders would be considered in the same boat as homosexuals from a biblical perspective.

Too often Christians are judged based on the opinions of some rather than by the majority. The media also blows some stories out of proportion about Christianity and their "anti-gay" remarks.

Abortion is murder depending on when you believe life actually starts. From the Christian perspective, life starts at conception, therefore it is murder. Christians are not the only people to believe this. Have you ever seen an abortion performed? If more women that might potentially get an abortion were to watch those videos, I believe that many would change their mind about getting an abortion. As for whether or not it should be illegal, I would prefer it to be illegal at any point. However, I know many people in the US will disagree with me. At Day 18, the heart starts beating. Week 22 is when some babies can survive outside the womb. At Week 20, a fetus can feel pain. As you can see, this is a very complicated debate based on when life technically starts, and is open to interpretation. This is not a Christians vs non-Christians debate. Rather, it's a "Life starts at conception vs Life starts when the heart starts beating vs when the fetus can feel pain vs when the baby can survive."

Christians= don't cut out.

Gay marriage, trans rights, abortion, etc....

Gays can quit being gay, still have gay relationships, and do all those filthy things
Same with transexualism

And abortion can be argued as murder.

Ugh, I came to this topic to discuss ISIS and then I read Lawlz's posts......

It's sad when certain people take serious problems like this and just use it as ammo for some petty war against religion. I'm honestly sick of people saying, "Religion is evil because religious people have done bad stuff".

>Implying religion is the sole source of violence in the world.

Should we take a look at the few examples we've had of Atheist states? First you have the Soviet Union, which slaughtered/imprisoned many religious people just for having a religion. Since you like Wikipedia so much:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_persecution_in_Communist_Romania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Eastern_Bloc

That's just for starters. Tell me, is this and cases like it justification for declaring Atheism to be evil in violent? Or perhaps we should point the finger at Communism and state that it is evil as well? By your logic yes would be an appropriate answer to either question.

How many people have been killed over money? I guess it's time we immediately abolish all monetary systems and remove evil capitalist governments in the world. Afterall, they follow an ideology which leads to violence! We could also get into all the crimes that have been done for the sake of political power, should we rid ourselves of politics?

Here's my point: You can't blame an entire group for what certain members have done in the past. It's honestly a ridiculous line of thought that could be used to outlaw anything. Christianity can't be held responsible for the crusades, and neither can Atheism be held responsible for the atrocities of the Soviets.

TL,DR: Every group has done horrible things at one point. Don't use religion as a scapegoat for all the world's problems.

I guess it's time we immediately abolish all monetary systems and remove evil capitalist governments in the world.

It's been suggested before...

That's called socialism or communism. Those country don't do so well (N Korea, soviet russia)