"God, try to prove me wrong I dare you. "
if God can do anything could he disprove his own existence but now he doesn't exist but he exists because there is no God to prove he is not real

Semicedevine, that comment does not further the argument one way or the other. It does not even start to prove that one PoV is wrong and the other is right. If it doesn't need to be said, then don't say it.

General Tupac Shakur, see my previous paragraph.

I also agree that God exists, and I believe that Spirit, you are wrong in saying that REDHILL is grasping at straws. He may not have the best arguments, and his arguments may be wrong, but that doesn't mean he is grasping at straws.

The Bible says the earth is flat. and has two creation stories that say the earth was made in a different order from the other. case closed.

Where in da bible does it say the earth is flat?

And two different creation stories?

... and I believe that Spirit, you are wrong in saying that REDHILL is grasping at straws. He may not have the best arguments, and his arguments may be wrong, but that doesn't mean he is grasping at straws.

All religious arguments are grasping at straws. It is only an argument you can win by dying, and finding out after you're dead, whether your beliefs were right. :)

Okoy, I have to admit you have a point there. However, I still don't fully agree with you on that...

John I honestly don't care about this discussion .that much I came here to laugh a little because someone was going to be ridiculous,and I wanted to see it. I really don't want to argue because neither of us are going to change our minds.

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BERTRAND RUSSELL HAS GOOD POINTS ON GOD.

I will rather find an explanation to satisfy my curiosity but not argue with others. It does not matter if it is true or not. My knowledge is limited and I have a small spirit.

If you believe into something, it is possible that you want to share the same beliefs with a group of people to live harmoniously.

Making everything a belief is a waste of time. Everyone can prove that you are wrong even on "True" things.

After looking into it, the "flat earth" part can be seen as simply poetic, so i wont get into that (Revelations 7:1, I believe)

BUT: There are two creation stories. Check it: "The Book of Genesis begins with two contradictory creation accounts (1:1-2:3 and 2:4-3:24). In the first, God created humans (male and female) after he finishes making all of the other animals. In the second, God made one man (“Adam”) and then created all of the animals in order to find a helpmeet for Adam. God brought all of the animals to Adam, but none of them appealed to him. So God made a woman from one of Adam’s ribs to serve his helpmeet."

source (yes i realize it's an atheist website, but it still makes a point): http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/accounts.html

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Maybe god is just like Fizzer as forum admin.

Well aquacode thats where u r wrong the only way u will know the truth is if u read the bible the bible it the only true relation about the earth and how it was created. if u take anything about God from sources not from the Bible then u r dead wrong

"Maybe god is just like Fizzer as forum admin."

nah don't insult Fizzer please.

Fizzer can forgive, god can't. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco&list=RD8fox4KabGGE&index=10

Why is this all about the Christian version of god? What about the 1000's of other versions of him there have been over the millennia?

I'm all for mighty Thor myself.

As for the bible, what about the Qur'an, the Torah, the Telmud, the Book Of Mormon, The Tripitaka, the Dhammapada, the Dao De Jing, the Analects of Confucius and the countless others I can't remember or have never heard of?

^No body is here to represent them so they get none.



Fizzer can forgive, god can't. lol

Jesus


Pretty sure God brought the animals to him so he could naMe them.

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"Why is this all about the Christian version of god?"

2 main reasons:

1;The Christian god is the most ridiculous.(if you watched the video I linked you would know why)

2; The most evangelical are the Christians, so it is only natural that insane claims are ridiculed.

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There's nothing to imply that God exists (outside of the Bible), therefore, there would be no reason to believe in something that doesn't exist, instead, you would just appear 'odd'. Science is what I believe in, instead. (I'm saying this from an atheist point of view.)

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Aquacode, the second account does not contradict the first. Genesis 2 says:

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens--
5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground,
6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground--
7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground--trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.
11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold.
12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.)
13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.
14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.
15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.
21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, ' for she was taken out of man."

I think you are talking about verses 18 and 19. Neither of these indicate that God made the animals after Adam. In fact, verse 19 says "Now the LORD God had formed..." The "had formed" indicates that it happened before the verse before it finished, which also shows that God created the animals before the man. Thus, the two passages do not contradict eachother.

Erm... I don't know what I have to prove wrong...?

But it's nice to see all of these people quoting me, I guess I am bit of a viral star ;)

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