http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/axiomatic

Apollo has too pro-American bias...no big country is democratic and cares for it's folk.

Lenin was definitely better than Stalin

I am not even American, nor am I pro-American. I am a British patriotic and that's it. Russia was a fully communist dictatorship, lead by one man. One time, Stalin gave a speech which resulted in applause for 15 minutes, until one man stopped, that man was arrested the next day. When Stalin died no one realised for awhile, because no one dared enter his room. Russia was a terror state that made its people suffer and fear, that's one of the main reasons Russia won the war.

Stalin had no political opponents, that is not democracy. People couldn't vote, that is not democracy. Russia was by definition not a democracy. America and any other capitalist nations people could vote, this is democracy and thus care. So could they own private property or businesses.

Lenin was better than Stalin but he still used war communism in the civil war and so did he steal grain off the peasants. We couldn't see what else he would do, as he died so early.

I am not saying Russia had democracy, I am saying the West had none, either. The vote? Inconsequential, just how much money does each elite group want to spend to get their candidate in? And many folk in Belarus and Ukraine did defect for a year or so, but they found Nazi Germany too atrocious, and defected back or stayed neutral. They were fighting for life, not from fear from Russia, but fear from Nazi Germany. Look up Khatyn. Russia, by definition, was a democracy. Read it, what I told you.

And you can see - see NEP.

And don't be patriotic, please. Patriotism is the past's measles.

1.I am not saying Russia had democracy...
...2.Russia, by definition, was a democracy.

Does this make sense? What is democracy if the west didn't have it?

They were fighting for life, not from fear from Russia, but fear from Nazi Germany.

I'd rather live in Hitlers Germany than Stalins Russia.

NEP?

And don't be patriotic, please. Patriotism is the past's measles.

Hypocritical or what....

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Apollo, you can't understand. Almost every country is axiomatically a democracy, but most aren't actually democracies. What is democracy? Good frain. Only unmportant neutral countries can be democracies. So, right now, Niger is a true republic, for example.

If you'd rather live in Hitler's Germany than Stalin's Russia, I think you're beyond help...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy

I'm not hypocritical, I'm just making sure that no country doesn't shine fully.

I think you are getting confused with historic "Pure democracies", there are no pure democracies in the world today. Ancient Athens was a pure democracy.

"Democracy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system" Russia didn't allow parties, no votes, no private ownership and was a total dictatorship. It may have been a axiomatically democracy but in practise it was not. America and other capitalist nations were the opposite.

Stalin killed more than Hitler, you had an equal or even higher chance of being killed in Stalins Russia. Germany was also more developed and had better working and living conditions. More importantly, living in either would be significantly worse than that of the Uk or US.

Oh yes, NEP. Your point?

You are hypocritical. Why do you argue Stalins Russia wasn't a brutal regime?

Plus, Hitler only persecuted political rivals and those he deemed " evil ", like jews and gypsies. Stalin killed everybody. If you didn't have a feeling of doubt about nazi Germany publicly admitted, you were good to go.

I think you are getting confused with historic "Pure democracies", there are no pure democracies in the world today. Ancient Athens was a pure democracy.

"Democracy: government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system" Russia didn't allow parties, no votes, no private ownership and was a total dictatorship. It may have been a axiomatically democracy but in practise it was not. America and other capitalist nations were the opposite.

Soviet Union had one public elite - the Politburo. The difference with America and NATO is that their elections were controlled by other countries and/or by several elite groups.

Stalin killed more than Hitler, you had an equal or even higher chance of being killed in Stalins Russia. Germany was also more developed and had better working and living conditions. More importantly, living in either would be significantly worse than that of the Uk or US.

You still haven't proved yourself on your claim. Germany was more developed and better working and living conditions if the "Living Space" was reserved for you. In fact, if the "Living Space" was reserved for you, pre-Real War Germany would be even better to live in than Britain (not sure about America, maybe it would be best).

NEP - My point, you're wrong again.

I'm not hypocritical - Stalin was an evil man, but you are overestimating just how evil.

Plus, Hitler only persecuted political rivals and those he deemed " evil ", like jews and gypsies. Stalin killed everybody. If you didn't have a feeling of doubt about nazi Germany publicly admitted, you were good to go.

Stalin only persecuted political rivals, those that spoke out. As long as you keep your head down, be a lawabiding denizen and have no personal connection to Stalin at all, you're good to go.

Xyapy, you tell Apollo to stop being patriotic. I tell you this. Stop being a Soviet Nationalist and face the facts. There isn't a Soviet Union anymore.

I tell you this: Get the heads out of your fatness and face the facts - America's biggest problem isn't ISIS or China or Russia, but fatness. Go clean a toilet, since you're probably not smart enough (even in American standards) to do much else.

Soviet Union had one public elite - the Politburo. The difference with America and NATO is that their elections were controlled by other countries and/or by several elite groups.

Pretty sure the Politburo was not public. Britain had parties elected into Government by the people. Same with America and other capitalist and NATO states. Stalins Russia was a one party, one man state.

You still haven't proved yourself on your claim. Germany was more developed and better working and living conditions if the "Living Space" was reserved for you. In fact, if the "Living Space" was reserved for you, pre-Real War Germany would be even better to live in than Britain (not sure about America, maybe it would be best).

On what claim? Living space/revered for you? What are you on about?. I was referring to the death ratio and both leaders killing people.

NEP - My point, you're wrong again.

No I was asking why this is relavant. Why am I wrong? I didn't say anything.

I'm not hypocritical - Stalin was an evil man, but you are overestimating just how evil.

Underestimating you mean.

Stalin only persecuted political rivals, those that spoke out. As long as you keep your head down, be a lawabiding denizen and have no personal connection to Stalin at all, you're good to go.

You need to research in this area. You will find yourself very wrong.

Xyapy doesn't like the US, I'm guessing.

Pretty sure the Politburo was not public. Britain had parties elected into Government by the people. Same with America and other capitalist and NATO states. Stalins Russia was a one party, one man state.

If the Politburo is not public, how does anyone get in? Frain to you. It's possible, but dastardly hard. Although I meant public as in everyone knows that it's just one party. Britain and all the other NATO countries were again, as I explained, controlled by multi-elite groups.

On what claim? Living space/revered for you? What are you on about?. I was referring to the death ratio and both leaders killing people.

It's pretty obvious that Nazi Germany's favourite race was the Germanics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

No I was asking why this is relavant. Why am I wrong? I didn't say anything.

We couldn't see what else he would do, as he died so early.

Underestimating you mean.

I mean what I said.

You need to research in this area. You will find yourself very wrong.

You need to. Only if you're Turkic in European Russia perhaps will this change.

And America's a nice enough country - but what I don't like is giving accolades to those who haven't earned them.

In my opinion, America's second strongest country today (after China), and 23rd best (Germany: 22; Japan: 24) country to live in for the average bloke.

You had to be a member of the party to get into the politburo, there were only 8 members. It's harder to get into than it was in British politics. When you got into, you had to be nice to Stalin... 'Elite' groups = people able to have the education to be a politician. These made up the parties, the people voted them in government.

How is lebensraum relavant what so ever to the discussion and the way you put it wasn't understandable. It's all very nice have good living standard, but not if you have a chance of being killed the next day....

I mean what i said.

Well you are wrong.

You've obviously been falsely tought by the Russian curriculum. I've seem few comments by you that are correct. Now you are going off topic...

Elite groups in Britain and other countries - the superich, megacorporationalists, usually. America has a bit of influence, but won't use it unless Britain would become North Korea. Superich is a must-have, though.

I said that as long as the "Living Space" is reserved for you, then Nazi Germany would be a fine place to live.

You've obviously been falsely taught by American-influence British curriculum. And I'm not going off-topic at all - my original comment I said was that NATO was undemocratic and didn't care for its folk.

Also, NIger is controlled by Nigeria - I'm wrong there. Burkina Faso is a true republic, though.

Why shouldn't we let rich people be rich? They do wonders for a free enterprise system.

Politics had always been that way, it couldn't change just like that. At least the people in capitalist countries could vote and decide who represented them.

You've obviously been falsely taught by American-influence British curriculum. And I'm not going off-topic at all - my original comment I said was that NATO was undemocratic and didn't care for its folk.

Referring to the fact you don't know the full extent of Stalin actions. Or the brutal state of Stalin's Russia. Something probably hidden by your curriculum. obviouly I'm making this up to refer to your lack of knowledge in this area...If anything the world influences each other's curriculums. I've had enough of democracy and NATO.