This game is becoming more and more money orientated. I understand Fizzer wants to make some cash out of this but taking away the free options is the best way to stop new players from staying. People like free in their faces, they don't like seeing that they NEED "Friends" to play in tournaments without cash.

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Yeah, I get the spend money to have it be open and such, but the price to do so is pretty high vs the potential benefits.

I can't host WGL coin tournaments because I would be purposely losing money. (Because the host can't participate..) I don't have income I'd like to throw away for that..

Why can't a host participate? Rather curious on that one.

A host of WGL is most likely hosting the stream/commentating. Rarely does the host actually participate.

Why don't all participants get a prize?
E.g.: if you win all games, you receive entry fee/(amount of brackets or rounds coins*1); if you win all apart from a game, entry fee/(amount of brackets or rounds*1.1); if you win all apart from two games, entry fee/(amount of brackets or rounds*1.1); ect.
This would allow players sustain the ability to join coin tournaments (assuming they have some spare coins left over), and, may be later, allow the ability to join coin games.

Edit: Ignore this question then. I posted not hoping for an answer.

Edited 4/2/2015 08:04:09

I'd understand if you could still do public tournaments for free, but not being able to is kind of unnecessary and unwanted

Because the host can't participate

Sure they can! I'm not sure why you thought that :)

First, as of this update, rt tournaments will have to start at some specific time or they'll get deleted

That was true before the update, too. It's just that before the update, the time was always "right now". With this update you can specify any time.

Now, I thought that I'd be able to make it for free

The problem is that allowing people to make open tournaments for free doesn't work. We tried it, and the ratio between people who want to make tournaments and the people who want to join tournaments is too heavily weighted towards the making side. This causes way too many tournaments to get created and the entire system breaks down. You can read more about my thoughts on this here: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/74674-s-talk-open-tournaments

Perhaps there is a way to do some sort of sliding scale, where tournaments are cheap/free when there's only a few in existence, but they get more expensive as the open tournament page grows in size. That would basically be a self-correcting system, instead of requiring us to adjust it manually.

This game is becoming more and more money orientated.

WarLight's servers cost over $1000 per month just to keep running. Every time anyone accesses the site or plays a game, it costs money. That money has to come from somewhere, or the site would cease to exist. I am trying to find a way to make WarLight profitable without making it pay-to-win like most other games are doing. If you have a better suggestion at how to accomplish this, I'd like to hear it!

I understand Fizzer wants to make some cash out of this but taking away the free options is the best way to stop new players from staying.

Tournaments are a bit of an advanced feature. New players can't even access tournaments, as it's a feature that needs to be unlocked. And even if they could, most new players would still start playing a bunch of normal games before moving on to tournaments, so I don't think your point is really accurate.

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Maybe there could be a way to limit the amount of people able to join free open tournaments. Also, maybe there could also be a limit to the number of open tournaments able to be created before a new one can be created. Just some suggestions.

Now, I thought that I'd be able to make it for free

I was referring to specific real time tournaments. Please don't take one line out of context, because I was asking something completely different. Real time tournaments regardless if they are open or not, will never clutter the system, because they are deleted shortly afterwards if they are not started. I don't even care if it is open or invite-only, my question was why can't I make a normal rt coin tournament where participants equally pitch into the pool, why the host has to function like charity?

Real time tournaments regardless if they are open or not, will never clutter the system, because they are deleted shortly afterwards if they are not started. I don't even care if it is open or invite-only, my question was why can't I make a normal rt coin tournament where participants equally pitch into the pool, why the host has to function like charity?

Sorry I mis-understood.

First, let's separate the idea of real-time/multi-day from open/closed. You say that real-time tournaments never clutter the system but that's not true anymore -- someone could make an open RT tournament scheduled for a week from now, and it would appear on the open tournaments list for a week.

The only reason the tournament creator seeds the pot right now is to limit the number of open tournaments. If there is enough interest in private coin tournaments, then yes, I think it would be okay to allow those to be created for free. It does not matter if it's RT or MD, they are treated the same.

Maybe there could be a way to limit the amount of people able to join free open tournaments.

You have it backwards -- the problem with free open tournaments is that there's not enough people who want to join, compared to the number of people who want to create. To keep things even, we need to limit creation, not joining.

@Fizzer:
If money is the problem, allow a way to directly donate to WarLight.

Edit: Just discovered that the profit is $835 USD per month. It seems this isn't enough.
1890 ads / month - (55 coin leaderboard per months + 1000 servers per month)
1890 - 1055 = 835

This is from what I found at http://www.statscrop.com/www/warlight.net.

Edited 4/2/2015 08:06:00

Dan - I doubt that would work. Most people on here complain they can't even afford a membership. I have two because I want Fizzer to keep the site up and I appreciate it being here.

I don't have a problem with things going this way (entry fees and such). I just don't understand why if a tourney has a coin entry, why that does not reduce the host cost? Like I said, put 1 coin per player entry fee into a pot that reduces the host fee. Since everything scales with rounds, you won't have people creating them larger to reduce their fee, so that is not an issue.

It is just right now you will have a huge supply and demand problem.

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The only reason the tournament creator seeds the pot right now is to limit the number of open tournaments

That's completly understandable.
But you have gone too far this way and the number of open tourneys will be close to 0. Fixed cost would be far from enough to keep open tournaments clean

Edited 4/2/2015 08:05:03

@Fizzer: I was talking only in the instance of WGL, of course the host can participate in MD and RT coin tournaments, but the host for WGL is also hosting the stream or commentating, I've hosted and played before, and I ended up booted due to focusing on the entertainment.

This system seems like a perfect way to reward members. Many of us have commented that it doesn't seem to be worth as much anymore, as the exclusivity has been reduced dramatically since their implementation. I think you should at least consider allowing members to create free tournaments (maybe only 1/month?) or reducing the "creation fee" for coin tournaments for members.

I don't really care about open tournaments that much since we can still invite our friends for free, but there won't be many (if any at all) new open tournaments.

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Read https://www.warlight.net/blog/index.php/2015/03/update-3-7-coin-tournaments/

No, 3rd does too in DE.
Only 1 and 2 in SE

"Coin tournaments can be single-elimination or double-elimination. Single-elimination tournaments will give 70% of their reward to first place and 30% to second place. Double-elimination tournaments give 65% of their reward to first place, 28% of their reward to second place, and 7% of their reward to third place."

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