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Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 03:28:57

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The Euro 2016 group stage draw will take place this Saturday and will put the national teams of the countries shown in blue on the map below into 6 groups, with each group containing 4 teams.



Each group with contain 1 team from the following pots.

Pot 1:
Metropolitan France (In Group A automatically as hosts)
Germany
Spain
England
Portugal
Belgium

Pot 2:
Italy
Russia
Switzerland
Austria
Croatia
Ukraine

Pot 3:
Czech Republic
Sweden
Poland
Romania
Slovakia
Hungary

Pot 4:
Turkey
Ireland
Iceland
Wales
Albania
Northern Ireland

So whichever group Italy gets put in is the group of death. Let's hope for en exciting tournament in June.

Edit: corrected the name of France

Edited 12/8/2015 16:57:27
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 04:17:23


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Really looking forward to Euro 2016. Really excited about the inclusion of Albania and Iceland...hope they give us some upsets early.

Also secretly hoping that Turkey faces Russia and has their asses kicked (but I'll live with Ukraine vs. Russia too). Never hurts to add some geopolitical rivalry to international soccer :)


2 questions for everyone:

1) Who is your pick to win?
2) Which Pot 1 or Pot 2 team will fail to exit the group stages??
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 07:46:50


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Ukraine and Austria will struggle to get through the group
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 07:52:07


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Ireland and Northern Ireland seriously ahah what a joke.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 07:55:09


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Portugal won't make it either.....one man team.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 12:30:51

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but I'll live with Ukraine vs. Russia too


Sadly, they're both in pot 2, so we'll have to wait for the knockout rounds to see if they ever play each other at the Euros.

1) Who is your pick to win?


I want England to win, but I don't think that will happen. I think it'll be semi-finals at best, but more realistically it'll be a quarter-final exit. Germany will probably end up winning.

2) Which Pot 1 or Pot 2 team will fail to exit the group stages?


It depends upon the draw. You also have to bare in mind that four 3rd placed teams also get a place in the 2nd round. However, if a team from pots 1 or 2 draw Sweden and Turkey from pots 3 and 4, then they might struggle.

Ukraine and Austria will struggle to get through the group


Austria topped their qualifying group, so don't be so quick to write off their chances. Ukraine always seem to trouble the big teams as well. If either of those teams were to draw Portugal, Hungary and Northern Ireland, then you might not feel so confident about that.

Ireland and Northern Ireland seriously ahah what a joke.


How?

Portugal won't make it either.....one man team.


And that one man is probably the best player at the tournament. Also, don't be so quick to write of the rest of Portugal's squad. Just because they aren't at the same level as Ronaldo, doesn't mean they aren't quality players.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 13:05:13


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How?


http://www.eff-fvf.eus/pub/home.asp?idioma=eu

http://fcf.cat/

Then add them both to the Euro championship would you.




Any of these teams could defeat this joke of Northern Ireland football team. At least in Rugby they had the decency to make just one team for Ireland (comprising Eire and Ulster).


I still dont get why non UK independent nations such as NI, Scotland or Wales have the right to play in international competitions whereas others got no recognition, you just dont let other independent and recognized nations to play UEFA (3 potential teams could play instead of these 3 British territories).
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 13:29:58

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Because the first 2 international teams were England and Scotland in 1872. Wales became the 3rd national team in 1876.

Northern Ireland is a bit different because there was 1 team for the whole island of Ireland prior to Irish independence. In rugby, they carried on playing as 1 team. In football, they initially carried on as 1 team briefly, with the Irish FA based in Belfast. However, many Irishmen thought the team selection was being biased towards Northern Irish players, so they formed another FA in Dublin. Both of FAs claimed to represent the whole island of Ireland. It wasn't until 1945 that FIFA stepped in to rename the Irish FA in Belfast Northern Ireland and the Irish FA based in Dublin the Republic of Ireland.

There has never been a UK national team in UEFA, so it would be stupid to join together now, especially as none of the 4 UK teams are in favour of it. This is why the only times there's been a UK team at the Olympics were in 1908, 1956 and 2012, the years the UK hosted the Olympics so automatically qualified. There's no mechanism for a UK team to qualify when all 4 nations compete separately.

If you're going to throw every non-sovereign state out of UEFA, then you have to throw out France as well because the French national team only represents Metropolitan France (i.e. the part of France in Europe) and doesn't represent French Guiana, Réunion, Guadeloupe, etc. who have their own national teams.

Edited 12/8/2015 13:43:47
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 13:48:12


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This is past Clement, back when only British teams existed. Fortunately during the Olympic games (as the French revived it) non recognized nations arent allowed to play, that's why only the UK team as a whole only can be represented there.
Now, Football is a international game, if you allow some random non recognized nations, then obviously other non participating unrecognized nation would have to participate, that's why I hope these teams would be removed in the near future, or in the contrary then, allow any nations to participate such as Catalonia or Flanders.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 14:18:16

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Fortunately during the Olympic games (as the French revived it) non recognized nations arent allowed to play


That's not true. Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Puerto Rico, Hong Kong, US Virgin Islands, British Virgin Islands, Cook Islands, Guam and American Samoa are members of the IOC and can compete at the Olympics.

Now, Football is a international game, if you allow some random non recognized nations, then obviously other non participating unrecognized nation would have to participate, that's why I hope these teams would be removed in the near future, or in the contrary then, allow any nations to participate such as Catalonia or Flanders.


Merging the 4 UK FAs would also run into various problems. How would you reallocated the Champions League places? How would you go about merging the 23 tiers in England, the 6 tiers in Scotland, the 11 tiers in Wales and the 7 tiers in Northern Ireland? How would you decide which teams go into which tier? How would you sort out the cup competitions? Replacing the English FA Cup (the oldest competition in the world) with a British FA Cup would not be popular.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_football_league_system#The_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_football_league_system#Men.27s_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_football_league_system#Current_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_football_league_system#The_current_system

What does UEFA stand to gain by forcing the merge of 4 FAs that don't want to be merged? Do they really want to risk losing Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City from their precious Champions League and Europa League?

As for splitting up other countries, how would you split the UEFA coefficient points? How would you split various assets such as national stadiums, between the various FAs? Forcing mergers or splitting up other nations are non-starters and would quickly run into legal barriers.

Also, fuck supporting a UK national team, no one would watch that.

Edited 12/8/2015 14:27:07
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 15:29:13


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Portugal haven't performed since the greats of Luis Figo, Rui Costa, Paulo Futre and Deco retired. Inconsistent shite comes to mind when Portugal is mentioned. They barely qualified in arguably the worst group.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 15:32:18


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The only one that should be merged is the Welsh league as the main teams are either in the Premier league or the football league Eg. Swansea and Cardiff. Just out of curiosity Clement who do you support ?
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 15:44:14

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Portugal haven't performed since the greats of Luis Figo, Rui Costa, Paulo Futre and Deco retired. Inconsistent shite comes to mind when Portugal is mentioned. They barely qualified in arguably the worst group.


They got out of the group containing Germany and the Netherlands last time around and only went out on penalties to Spain in the semi-final. They capable of going far even though it's highly unlikely they'll win it.

The only one that should be merged is the Welsh league as the main teams are either in the Premier league or the football league Eg. Swansea and Cardiff.


There's no need to force Cardiff and Swansea to play in the Welsh system. They've been playing in the English system since before Wales had its own league. Football clubs playing in a different country's league to the country to the one they're based in is nothing new: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_country

Just out of curiosity Clement who do you support ?


Bournemouth

Edited 12/8/2015 15:45:11
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 15:57:04


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Portugal is a one man team? When was the last time you even saw a Portugal game? Never?
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 16:22:37


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How's life under Eddie Howe ?
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 16:23:13


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@ Ragnarok they was ghastly in the World Cup and the Euro qualifiers
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 16:33:25


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I totally agree with Ragnarok here, Portugal has a real potential, as much or even more than teams such as England or Italy (if you just take in count their weak performances in the last world cup or during recent international games).
As for your answer Clement your answer about Chelsea or MU is totally not right, I even don't see any relationships between it and national teams, I really don't care tbh if MU or the other club you mentioned paying their expensive players with billions of dollars stolen by the Russian Mafioso Abramovich to his people back in the 90s when Russia was in a complete mess, they can be out of the Champions league I would not care that much.

Last but not least, the many states you evoked participating in the Olympiads have actually more reasons to participate in international competitions since they are closer to what we could define as an independent state (taking example of HK): A totally independent political and economical system, a different currency, customs and different visa procedures (personally experienced it while I went to China 2 years ago). So again your arguments aren't valid.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 16:56:27

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How's life under Eddie Howe ?


Better than it's ever been.

I even don't see any relationships between it and national teams


Simple, a member association of UEFA organises both the national team and the domestic league. Every member of UEFA can enter it's national team into the Euros and club teams that play in that member's domestic league can enter the Champions League or the Europa League. http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/

If a country is a sovereign state or not is irrelevant, what matters is if a country has membership of UEFA. Catalonia and Basque did not gain UEFA or FIFA membership, but Spain did. Just like the UK did not gain UEFA or FIFA membership, but England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland did separately. What matters is the membership requirements at the time of joining, not the membership requirements that changed after already joining.

they can be out of the Champions league I would not care that much.


UEFA certainly would. The Champions League is UEFA's biggest source of income.

But if this is what you want, UEFA should also ban your Metropolitan France team from competing as well.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 20:52:31


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Portugal has a well-rounded squad but they seriously lack depth on the bench. Carvalho and Bernardo Silva make a good center mid pairing. But their defense is shoddy at best....the only quality players there are Soares and Pepe (and the latter is in a real decline).
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 21:08:46


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Wow, Angry Koala supporting Basques? That is something new, lol

Portugal is not that bad, but they lack a real squad, because everyone plays just for Cristiano Ronaldo, there is no real team play.

I bet the winner will be Spain (obviouly clear :3). Now really, I think the other finalist will be Germany, and the semifinalists France (as they are hosts) and Italy, if they don't match theirselves before.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 21:28:25


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Pablo you are just a paranoid nationalist Spaniard this is getting boring: I just said (if you just paid attention) that I disagreed about non independent nations participating in international competitions. So this is even the contrary.

And stop dreaming, Spain is obviously out, I would bet this year on Germany or Netherlands or some random team such as Belgium or Russia, a new team that did not win yet the Euro, like Greece's victory in 2004 (against Portugal), that would be nice.

Anyway do not forget that Euro 2016 is hosted in France, so perhaps it would be cancelled (be ready for another terrorist attack soon...).
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 21:35:03

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I'm not sure about Germany. Their qualifying campaign was rather disappointing.

Who will win? Here are some odds from one bookmaker:

France 4.21
Germany 4.21
Spain 6.75
Belgium 9.43
England 12.00
Italy 17.00
Portugal 26.00

Italy is heavily underrated imo. I'd put my money on them.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 22:11:21


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lol france is so overrated. Won't d0 that well. They have inconsistent strikers. Lacazette (has he even scored in ligue 1 this season) and Benzema can go cold at times.

Edited 12/8/2015 22:11:30
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 22:17:37


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Benzema will never play again in the French national team (if you are aware of what happened lately). And yes Jai France is overrated
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 22:32:56


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Nothing makes me happier than making Koala angry :P

If England and Scotland have their teams that way, let them be. I also think it is strange, but I just don't care.

And stop dreaming, Spain is obviously out


I don't remember how many times Frenchmen have said that, and then we win ;) If you think De Gea, Carvajal, Sergio Ramos, Piqué, Jordi Alba, Busquets, Iniesta, Fàbregas, Isco, Morata, Diego Costa (just to name any random Spanish possible squad), all highest-level players, is not enough to win... You should think about it again. We have had even better squads, but when all those players are in top teams (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Manchester United and Juventus) it means something.

And to end... You made such a fail, man.

, I would bet this year on Netherlands


I am also sure Netherlands will win LOL I'm sad for them, but well, an enemy missing is not such a tragedy.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 22:39:09


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Belgium 9.43


Definitely, Belgium's current squad is one of the best throughout their history. But I'm not sure about if that will be enough to win the tourney.

France is so overrated


It is not favourite because of them being the best, it's just that hosting teams have proved many times they can do better at home.

Benzema will never play again in the French national team (if you are aware of what happened lately)


I think Benzema is just an unlucky man, I don't think he was going to do that for money if he is already rich... I think this is just a misunderstood, I hope this ends well for both Valbuena and Benzema...
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 23:03:18


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I still dont get why non UK independent nations such as NI, Scotland or Wales have the right to play in international competitions whereas others got no recognition, you just dont let other independent and recognized nations to play UEFA (3 potential teams could play instead of these 3 British territories).


Not sure about those weird-sounding N. Irish guys, or those sheep-shagging Welsh, but Scotland completely deserves the right to have a team, as we are effectively independent.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/8/2015 23:04:00


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Valbuena was wonderfully talented. One of the most gifted passers in Ligue 1 while at Marseilles. Was sad to see him leave France for Russian money.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/9/2015 08:58:27


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Benzema wont ever play, because I know the current French Basque coach Didier Deschamps is a man of values (as most of the Basques are) and wont let it without being punished. We have the chance to have Didier who is among the best worldwide managers, as good as Aime Jacquet (the former manager during the 98 world cup) or Hidalgo, and he knows best what to do, people in France are bored of drama and childish players doing sutpid things, the less they play the ebst the French team will be. Benzema can stay in Real Madrid (he scored yesterday 3 times with Real 8-0) and stop playing with France I think this would not affect that much our team, we have plenty of young players waiting and certainly way more motivated than Benzema.

Valbuena is not that bad, but the thing is in France for years (after the golden generation under Zidane) we priviledgied players having great physical abilities (tall, fast, endurance and stamina) instead of players such as Zidane or Platini who were real Maestros not that good physically but incredibly talented (same thing applies for Maradona or Messi, most of them are rather small and not the best physically but they compensate with their talent).
I think the current recruiting staff did a great mistake, now things are changing since they recruit differently. Valbuena is among those talented players incredibly skilled but not a reference in physical standard, so is Ribery.

I hate Benzema and some of these players (Nasri also), totally arrogant and ruining our team because of their ego and stupid childish behavior, this must end... We miss you Master Zidane, you were so wise... oh well excepted when you insult his mother, then you get this:




Also Pablo about Spain, their golden generation is also completely gone, Iniesta is getting old, many retired, I would not be that confident if I was you, and yes sorry for the Netherlands I did not realized they werent participating this is crazy ahah. How can the Netherlands be out whereas Northern Ireland is qualified?? Anyway some things like the qulifying process need to be reformed for sure.
Euro 2016 Group Stage Draw: 12/9/2015 09:03:41


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And Ox you got your own chance to have an independent Scotland last year, unfortunately the Scottish refused this chance, so no Scotland isnt "effectively independent", but it could have been though. Nevertheless the Scottish historically had good football teams, and legendary football clubs, they have a great potential, that's just sad Scotland is not an independent nation.
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